Really cool new idea (please read!!)

Silverwolf99 · October 2012

I love dog shows, and have been studying breed standards in particular for a while. So I came up with this cool idea. This is how it works: Post pictures of random dogs (same or different breeds). Then, pick a breed standard to judge by. Here, to make it easier, here's a form. Pics: Video: (If you have the dog gaiting, or doing something that will help the "judge" decide) Standard: Type of contest: (like best of breed, show, group, anything you want) Level of difficulty: (Between 1-5) Form for members replying to the "contest" My placings: Why I placed the dogs this way: Things I look for most in a dog: (I'm not talking about personalitu, it's about breed standard. For example, in American Eskimo Dogs, I once had a judge that was huge on ears) When the "contest" is over, the member who posted the pictures will use this form My placings: Why I placed the dogs this way: The dogs I posted: (Name the source, show name, or call name. Please use show names if they have one.) Prize: (If the person had placed the dogs the exact same way you did, or has really good reasons for their placings, you can offer a prize.) Note: I know that you can't go over this dog like you can in person. But I have tried my best to make the forms as accurate as possible. I will take suggestions. I will post the first contest.

Silverwolf99 · October 2012

Pics: I'll post links. Anyone know how to put a pic in? Dog no. 1: <a href="http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/daf6ffb9653a8d9174a721339d394f8b.jpg"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/daf6ffb9653 ... 394f8b.jpg</a> Dog no.2: <a href="http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/423bdb9830a0716dfb10bde5589f1c03.jpg"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/423bdb9830a ... 9f1c03.jpg</a> Dog no.3: <a href="http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/0ae5ec7159673a78a2c33f438220cd43.jpg"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/0ae5ec71596 ... 20cd43.jpg</a> Dog no. 4: <a href="http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/01e7bc1f013ad28fff18ab378e0e611d.jpg"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/01e7bc1f013 ... 0e611d.jpg</a> Video: None Standard: AKC German Shepherd Dog Type of contest: AKC German Shepherd Dog B.O.B. Level of difficulty: 2 Good luck! This one should fairly obvious.

Frostbight8 · October 2012

My placings: 1st: Dog 4 2nd: Dog 2 3rd: Dog 3 4th: Dog 1 Why I placed the dogs this way: Dog number 4 looks big for the standard and his coat is a bit too plush for my liking. Dog 3's bottom is too close to the ground. I really couldn't tell with dog 2 because of the picture. Finally, dog 4 has a very nice top line. It was very close between 2 and 4. Things I look for most in a dog: I look at their back legs and also their top line. GSD's are my favorite, but I'm really not an expert on their breed standard. I tried. XD This is a really neat idea, though!

Silverwolf99 · October 2012

Thank you so much! I appreciate your participation. As a matter of fact, If you are open to adding new dogs to your lines, I'll give you a GSD pup from my litter. (I'm getting ready to trade a Terv for a female GSD, and I'll buy a male.) Let me check your placings.

Silverwolf99 · October 2012

Frostbight8 wrote:

My placings: 1st: Dog 4 2nd: Dog 2 3rd: Dog 3 4th: Dog 1 Why I placed the dogs this way: Dog number 4 looks big for the standard and his coat is a bit too plush for my liking. Dog 3's bottom is too close to the ground. I really couldn't tell with dog 2 because of the picture. Finally, dog 4 has a very nice top line. It was very close between 2 and 4. Things I look for most in a dog: I look at their back legs and also their top line. GSD's are my favorite, but I'm really not an expert on their breed standard. I tried. XD This is a really neat idea, though!

Try again, you got 3 of them wrong, but I can't tell you which. You sound like your getting on the right track though. Pull the breed standard up on AKC.org, and see what you get. Thanks!

Adrianna32 · October 2012

So basically, we're guessing which dogs you think come in first, second, third and fourth? If this is the case then it's more of a guessing game then it is a judging game. xD Cool idea though.

Silverwolf99 · October 2012

Based on my interpretation of the breed standard. I'm using a standard, not just what dogs I personally like best. I really like GSDs that are super low to the ground, and am huge on low movement. But, I am following the AKC standard, not just my preference for lots of angulation. So, in a way it is a guessing game, but it has some rime and reason to it. You can also win prizes (I'll surprise you, so you never know when you'll be getting a prize.). Sometimes, the prize can be as small as 1000 playcash, or as big as a 10x4 completely trained dog. I need as many participants as possible. Hint: The more participants, the better the prizes.

Minx · October 2012

The thing about that is that who is to say your interpritation of the breed standard is better than someone doing the guessing?

Silverwolf99 · October 2012

I am an actual dog show handler. At a dog show, the judge has read the breed standard. The reason the same dog doesn't win every single time, is because every judge interprets it differently. I have studied breed standards for a while now, and work with some of the top handlers and breeders in the country now. But, the final placement doesn't vary too drastically between judges. That's due to the standard. Do you get it now? In my last post, I explained this already. I'm not mad at you, I just hate having to explain myself... again.

Minx · October 2012

I understand completely. Im a horse handler and horses have judging standards too. Doesnt mean that I will always guess how a judge will place my horse over another. Plenty of times i think one placing and the judge see's something i dont. Even if you know the standard it doesnt mean you have gone through the rigorous testing a judge will go through to make sure he understands the severity of each defect in conformation.

Adrianna32 · October 2012

VampireVenom wrote:

I understand completely. Im a horse handler and horses have judging standards too. Doesnt mean that I will always guess how a judge will place my horse over another. Plenty of times i think one placing and the judge see's something i dont. Even if you know the standard it doesnt mean you have gone through the rigorous testing a judge will go through to make sure he understands the severity of each defect in conformation.

I agree with Vampy. Breed standards are my life. My life is based on the dogs that I handle, and I have been a judge numerous times. I too, train and handle show dogs in real life and it is a huge part of my job / living, i've been doing it for years. What I was trying to say is that it's a guessing game because different people will interpret the standards differently and judge the contestants differently, even if they're all judging based on the same standard. Just because you have read the breed standard doesn't mean you will be correct when placing the dogs. Basically you're saying that you have placed the dog's correctly and if we don't place them in the order that you have then we are incorrect. Which wouldn't be true, because we all would have different opinions on which dogs are the most correct and which are the least. It would be a lot more fun if it was done differently. This isn't a conformation game if we can only win by guessing which dogs you thought were the best and which were the worst. This is just my opinion, maybe it would make the game better and more people would join. xD That being said, it IS a really neat idea and I would love to play if the rules were changed up a bit to be more fair.

Silver_Moon_32 · October 2012

I agree. It looks like more of a guessing game then a judging game. I'd be more interested in being the person posting pictures then the person playing. xD This isn't a debate thread. But maybe we could think of something to turn this game into something like a REAL dog show. That would be so awesome, and I bet a ton of people would play. ;D I know I want to. If Svenska does't mind maybe we could think of something to make it better. Were just trying to help make your game successful. ; ) Funny how instead of playing we're here discussing the game instead. :roll: Its SO important. lol

Silverwolf99 · October 2012

Okay, I'll change the rules a bit. Give me some suggestions. Also, if you read my original post in full, it says I will still give you credit if you come up with a justification for your placements, that I will still count it right, regardless of my personal placings. Thanks for the compliments. Also, this one is pretty obvious. One of the dogs would be disqualified, one isn't even AKC registered, another is Babheim's Captain Crunch (One of the top dogs in the country), and another is too low to the ground (I don't believe it's even AKC reg.). Thanks everybody, and I don't want this to turn into an argument or a debate. Also, Zyndalee, what shows do you judge at?

Adrianna32 · October 2012

I've judged for many different shows. When it comes to clubs however, I've participated in both Westminster and American, and I'm a primary judge at all of our local shows. If I gave you specifics it would give away my location / where I reside. So, I can't. But I would be glad to discuss anything you wish (within reason) with you further, through PM, if you're curious. : ) I look forward to participating in your revised game.

Silverwolf99 · October 2012

Cool. I was hoping it wouldn't get overly personal. So, I need suggestions. Perhaps we could call this one the guessing game, and wants I get some recommendations for revisions, that can be the edited version. We could have both and put them under games!

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