Pit bulls...

Beaglepaw · February 2011

Before you start jumping on my butt like flies jump on dog poo, read the entire thing. Pitbulls- Dangerous. Beagles- Not so dangerous. Any dog that is tall enough to rip your throat out when it stands on twos is "dangerous". Any dog can snap, at any given time. From pitbull to yorkies, male or female, DOGS ARE WILD BY INSTINCT. But when they snap, if it's like a little Chihuahua, they cannot kill you, yes? But a pitbull, even if it cannot reach a throat can rip your leg off. Therefore, pits are dangerous. Back in the day, they were America's Dog. They were mixed with two non-aggressive breeds- Boxers and Bull Terriers. Therefore, American Pit Bull Terrier. But now, they are mixed with many combinations of strong dogs (mastiffs) mean dogs (rotties and Cane Corso) and for their looks, the boxer. Therefore, you have a dog capable of killing the world's fattest pope, here. Now, take their history of dogfighting. When they snap (they were bred to snap at SOME POINT when they changed breeds for breeding. They were bred to be fighting dogs) there is no way out- you're gonna die or come VERY CLOSE TO IT. I have proof- my neighbor's pitbull, Lala, snapped. They treated it like gold. But it almost killed my cat, then it killed my LITTLE TINY CHIHUAHUA that was in his own yard, and had just finished using the bathroom. I SAW THE DOG JUMP AND KILL MINE. So, end of story, they are dangerous. So, why are they capabled of ripping all the fat out of the world's fattest pope? Their muscle in their jaw is smaller then any other dogs, providing a tight, escape-free grip that can kill a horse in one bite in a vain. Now, I don't care how much you jump on my butt or tell me i'm wrong and stupid, I have to get this off of me and warn other people so what happened to me (well, my now-dead chihuahua dog) will NOT happen to them I(or their dog). One more thing- they can even kill another pitbull. So it don't have to be a chihuahua. They can kill any kind of dog, no matter size or weight, and the same for a cat.

Minx · February 2011

Emense Dislike. Im sorry but my pit bull has saved my life so i HAVE to disagree with this. She had protected me and my neice and my entire family and was the SWEETEST dog i have ever had. Even if the neighbors treated their dog like gold sounds like they didnt train it to not HUNT. If you are gonna base all pits on one dog then how can you justify two pits... theirs and mine... that are so completely and irrevocably different?!

RyleeLorr · February 2011

pitbill were teached to fight by guess who HUMANS and whats not there fault its ours. and you should not rate a breed on one dog as lots of pitbulls and big frienly giants.And my gosh some Chihuahua are very yappy and nasty but really i don`t hate them because i no lots and just plain friendly.

Mileysmybaby · February 2011

I agree Pit Bulls have a higher risk of hurting other things over Beagles but I think Pit Bulls are GREAT dogs. But they arent All mean!

LaLa_Laru · February 2011

Just to let you know, the real APBT is not mixed with mastiff..that would be the Am.Bully. Secondly, APBTs were bred to be submissive to people but idiotic owners teach them to be vicious and bad back yard breeders have all but bred the good qualities out of the dog. Third, when you thought my dog was a Pit Bull on my pet thread you said she was cute and some other stuff, now you're completely changing your story. Yes, Pit Bulls can be dangerous and yes, all big dogs can be dangerous but guess what? Not all of us want to own a Chihuahua and not all of us are bad pet owners that let our dogs hop fences to kill. As you can see from the post in this thread APBTs can be amazing dogs. They can save lives, I was walking my Pit one night when I didn't have my personal protection dog and he saved me, even if he has never shown signs of aggression and is the sweetest dog I've ever owned. Lets just say that he prevented me from being the center of attention of a disgusting man that tried to follow me home. These dogs are amazing, it sucks that they are viewed so harshly by so many people in this world because of what some stupid, unfit owners do. I probably can't change your view on the breed, but opinions like this can't change mine. This breed is amazing and will always be apart of my life somehow. And by the way, I have never been bitten by a well trained, well bred, and well controlled APBT. Nor have I ever heard one biting somone else.

RyleeLorr · February 2011

LaLa_Laru wrote:

Just to let you know, the real APBT is not mixed with mastiff..that would be the Am.Bully. Secondly, APBTs were bred to be submissive to people but idiotic owners teach them to be vicious and bad back yard breeders have all but bred the good qualities out of the dog. Third, when you thought my dog was a Pit Bull on my pet thread you said she was cute and some other stuff, now you're completely changing your story. Yes, Pit Bulls can be dangerous and yes, all big dogs can be dangerous but guess what? Not all of us want to own a Chihuahua and not all of us are bad pet owners that let our dogs hop fences to kill. As you can see from the post in this thread APBTs can be amazing dogs. They can save lives, I was walking my Pit one night when I didn't have my personal protection dog and he saved me, even if he has never shown signs of aggression and is the sweetest dog I've ever owned. Lets just say that he prevented me from being the center of attention of a disgusting man that tried to follow me home. These dogs are amazing, it sucks that they are viewed so harshly by so many people in this world because of what some stupid, unfit owners do. I probably can't change your view on the breed, but opinions like this can't change mine. This breed is amazing and will always be apart of my life somehow. And by the way, I have never been bitten by a well trained, well bred, and well controlled APBT. Nor have I ever heard one biting somone else.

i argee this made me cry

ImportsandLines · February 2011

I am going to have to agree with Vampy. Any dog can kill someone, though not all are big up front. Some Pitbulls are the sweetest thing imaginable, it all depends on the breeding history and bloodlines. No offense but topics like these really rally people up sometimes.

LaLa_Laru · February 2011

i argee this made me cry

I don't understand what I said to make you cry...lol. But thank you for your comment.

Garnet · February 2011

I agree with Vampy. I know her in real life and her pit was the SWEETEST Dog I have ever seen. She laid with us on Vampy's bed. Was scared of thunder storms and would curl up on her bed with her. My brother has two. They are protective, yes. They have the possibility of being dangerous, yes. But they have NEVER attacked anything without reason. I walk right up to my brothers pit and he jumps up with his paws on my waist and licks me and we play and rough house. I push him around and he pushes back but he has NEVER even GROWLED at me. As soon as a dog threatens me or my family he goes into protective mode and gets defensive. You can't base the actions of ONE pit on the WHOLE breed. Each dog is different and each owner is different. Therefore each training ill be different.

RyleeLorr · February 2011

LaLa_Laru wrote:

i argee this made me cry

 I don't understand what I said to make you cry...lol. But thank you for your comment.

oh i just like the way you love pitbulls

Alabama · February 2011

I hesitate to even post on this as it seems Beaglepaws is posting with a lot of passion and emotion over their dog being killed. And because they post with passion, it tends to bring out the passion in everyone else. Just as Beaglepaws shouldn't judge a breed by one dog, neither should others judge the same breed by one dog. Because you have known one or a dozen good or bad dog of the breed doesn't mean all dogs of the breed are the same as what you have experienced. That said, Pitbulls are reported for more bites and deaths than other dog breeds, so chances are an unknown Pitbull is more likely to be dangerous than other breeds.

KittKattize wrote:

Here's a study done by the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) based on dog bites.: <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf</a> <img src="http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af57/KittKatt22/dogbite.jpg"; alt="http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af57/KittKatt22/dogbite.jpg"; class="bb-image" />

It really doesn't matter if it's an owner's fault or human beings' fault all together. It doesn't change the fact that a dangerous breed should still be considered dangerous on the whole. That doesn't mean all dogs of the breeds are dangerous or even that most of them are, but they should be handled with care and shouldn't be owned by people who do not know what they are getting into.

iluvdogs111 · February 2011

I don't really like pit bulls either, they're just not the dog for me. However in my view, saying something against the breed as a whole is wrong....they can be dangerous but you are making it sound like they're all killers. There are a lot of people that love pit bulls, just like I love labradors. So, people can get pretty defensive when they see they're favorite breed being bashed. However, I do see that you are upset about your dog being killed. Posting something like this causes a lot of tension and arguments, so I won't say anything more.

LaLa_Laru · February 2011

Just to make things clear I wasn't saying that all Pit Bull's are great, perfectly trained, friendly dogs because I own and know a few that are amazing, that would be biased and untrue. I love the breed, and I partially agree with both opinions of it bad or good. I know they are dangerous, and I can understand why some people are afraid of them. But I also know that they can make the best pets and I don't agree that the whole breed should be hated. I did say that it sucked that the breed is viewed so harshly, but I can see why. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I UNDERSTAND.

Kyangel · February 2011

Collie 99 wrote:

pitbill were teached to fight by guess who HUMANS and whats not there fault its ours. and you should not rate a breed on one dog as lots of pitbulls and big frienly giants.And my gosh some Chihuahua are very yappy and nasty but really i don`t hate them because i no lots and just plain friendly.

i completely agree

Berton · February 2011

I've been bitten by a chihuahua, an airedale, two wheatens,and a great dane. What I'm trying to say is every dog has some aggresion in them. I do think some attacks are based on dogs cranky moments, I do however think that some dogs have more cranky moments then others, some of its genes (one Wheaten was genes related). Some based on past experiences (The other Wheaten, the airedale) and some just bad moments (I didn't take the hint when the dane grumped at me, I was 7 at the time). Okay so I kinda lost my train of thought. Anyways any dog can bite, any dog can fight, and any dog can attack...

Irian Jaya · February 2011

You should Have never posted this...I Love Them to death.Don't vent about This breed,You can get the boot from the Players. :P :evil: (Very made at this,other stuff)

CallyKats Dachshunds · February 2011

Just wanted to say something, and keep myself in check; since I've already gotten into heated arguments over the breed with my aunt and other members of my family/friends. The only thing that is really different from mostly all the other breeds of dogs, is that the pit-bull is able to lock it's jaw after a bite. I've seen Dobes, Rotties, Aussies, Shelties, Chihuahas, Yorkies, dachshunds, and a number of other breeds go to attack someone; just as I'm sure people have seen pits attack people. It doesn't mean that they're the most dangerous breed there is and that they obviously shouldn't be allowed to be kept. Yes, pits were originally bred for fighting (not just dogfights, mind you), but recently it has been being bred out. Any canine, equine, feline, etc has the potential to be dangerous; yet we still throw a leg over a horse's back, we still keep companion pets, and we still have people readily working with completely wild animals such as lions, tigers, and bears (oh my! Lol...). I understand that your loved pet was just killed by a neighbour's pit, but what if that neighbour's pet had been a Labrador, a Sheltie, or even a Golden Retriever? Would you still have posted a post such as this basically damning that breed as well? Just something to think about. Yes, you may have just possibly caused some, less forgiving players to judge you by your heinous (sp?) remarks about a breed that many of us feel very strongly towards. I'm sure many of us would rather help you more understand the breed than judge you over something you may (or may not) have written just in your time of anger and denial. We've all read more than one post in the vent section about this breed, but (I speak for myself, though I'm sure some others agree) I believe that the main, if only, reason some people feel so hateful toward the breed is because of propaganda and misinformation that they are presented with. The APBT is not a "killer" breed, I feel that because of the passion they possess to protect and please their owners is why people clump them into some sort of evil bunch. A breed with as much passion as the APBTs have need strong direction and very good training, meaning they aren't a beginner breed-which most people think just because of how adorable they look as puppies. I actually said more than I wanted to..along with my hand cramping, but I hope that I've gotten my point across with as little offence as possible. I do feel for you and your loved pet that was killed, but I hope you can see past one dog and not see the breed as a whole like that.

Berton · February 2011

Gonna say vampeh made a very good point

BabyBean13 · February 2011

femalevamp14 wrote:

 Just wanted to say something, and keep myself in check; since I've already gotten into heated arguments over the breed with my aunt and other members of my family/friends. The only thing that is really different from mostly all the other breeds of dogs, is that the pit-bull is able to lock it's jaw after a bite. I've seen Dobes, Rotties, Aussies, Shelties, Chihuahas, Yorkies, dachshunds, and a number of other breeds go to attack someone; just as I'm sure people have seen pits attack people. It doesn't mean that they're the most dangerous breed there is and that they obviously shouldn't be allowed to be kept. Yes, pits were originally bred for fighting (not just dogfights, mind you), but recently it has been being bred out. Any canine, equine, feline, etc has the potential to be dangerous; yet we still throw a leg over a horse's back, we still keep companion pets, and we still have people readily working with completely wild animals such as lions, tigers, and bears (oh my! Lol...). I understand that your loved pet was just killed by a neighbour's pit, but what if that neighbour's pet had been a Labrador, a Sheltie, or even a Golden Retriever? Would you still have posted a post such as this basically damning that breed as well? Just something to think about. Yes, you may have just possibly caused some, less forgiving players to judge you by your heinous (sp?) remarks about a breed that many of us feel very strongly towards. I'm sure many of us would rather help you more understand the breed than judge you over something you may (or may not) have written just in your time of anger and denial. We've all read more than one post in the vent section about this breed, but (I speak for myself, though I'm sure some others agree) I believe that the main, if only, reason some people feel so hateful toward the breed is because of propaganda and misinformation that they are presented with. The APBT is not a "killer" breed, I feel that because of the passion they possess to protect and please their owners is why people clump them into some sort of evil bunch. A breed with as much passion as the APBTs have need strong direction and very good training, meaning they aren't a beginner breed-which most people think just because of how adorable they look as puppies. I actually said more than I wanted to..along with my hand cramping, but I hope that I've gotten my point across with as little offence as possible. I do feel for you and your loved pet that was killed, but I hope you can see past one dog and not see the breed as a whole like that.

Very well said. I agree

AshleeBrooke · February 2011

I am one of these people that have a dislike for pit bulls..sadly yes. The reason though is because one of the only pits I have ever known has owners who could care less for it. They let her run. They let her go and eat other peoples cat food they have out. They let her get pregnant every year. They ditch the puppies on more trashy people that will probably just let them be unruly bad dogs. They let her go out and bite two people and have the audacity to blame the lady that walks every day by there house. They let them kill and eat a cat. I had to remove it out of the neighbors yard before my kids could get on the bus. I really would like this dog to die and its not really the dogs fault. I hate saying that because I usually love all animals. She is a sweet dog when her owners are around. I have always got along with her. I just wish they loved and cared for her like they should. After the first bite they were supposed to keep her chained up. After the second they were suppose to put her down. Neither is being enforced. I guess that's what you get for living in a tiny town. The dog catcher must catch her off her property in order for them to do anything about it. sigh I guess I should also let you know I am not just griping about the pit. We have another batch of neighbors that like to let there Maltese mop thing, German shepherd, and chi run around yapping and barking at all hours of the night. The two ankle biting demons are also evil little creatures. They like the pit are a freaking nuisance and I would like them to also be gone. I guess what I am trying to say is I keep my dogs on a leash when I take them outside. Why have people lost the neighborly respect for each other nowadays? Why would you even want to put your dog in that predicament of something happening? I have totally went another direction of what the poster was talking about but man I just needed to vent about these certain neighbors that I have. D;

LaLa_Laru · February 2011

Yeah...but that's just one dog.

LaLa_Laru · February 2011

<a href="is that the pit-bull is able to lock it's jaw after a bite" target="_blank" class="bb-url">is that the pit-bull is able to lock it's jaw after a bite</a> The Pit Bull's locking jaw is a myth. There is no proof of this and scientific study has shown that the APBTs jaw preforms and is no different then the jaws of any other dog, it has no special abilities.

EmmeZoec · February 2011

first of my cat could probably kill a chuwawa secondly i no a man who works as an animal control officer and been bitten a lot. his worst bite was from a little losa opsu. next dogs act the way they are trained police dogs are trained to protect cops servace dogs are trained to help disabled people so guss what fighting pit bulls are trained to do ya fight. so you are deffinatly looking at it the wrong way. pit bulls are such good dogs that they would fight to the death because at the end of the day thats what gets them a pat on the head and a bowl of food. if you took two pit bulls gave one to an owner who tought it to fight and one who tought it to be a theripy dog they would both excell greatly because that is what makes thir owners happy and proud of them. and about the pit bull that killed you dog. did they have that dog forever it could have been mistreated before they got it or they could have seperated it from its mother too soon. even if they did get it from a breeder at the right time can you see through walls? how do you no they wernt training it to fight? how long did it take to find micle vics dogs and this is one person with one dog

KittKattize · February 2011

I have to add my two cents in... Emmezoe did have a good point:

pit bulls are such good dogs that they would fight to the death because at the end of the day thats what gets them a pat on the head and a bowl of food.

Although, like others have said before, bad breeding has also played a factor in the APBTs "Bad Behavior" and aggressiveness. Although, does that mean that every APBT is badly bred? The answer is no, I'm sure that if you went and purchased an APBT from a respectable and responsible breeder the behavior of the dog would be much different. That said, training also plays a huge factor. Everyone has mentioned about the genes, but I haven't found one person who really touched on training. A poorly trained dog can be mischievous, dangerous and uncontrollable. Some people buy dogs thinking that they only need to feed it, vet it and love it. They don't realize that it takes much more than that. It takes a lot of time. I lucked out with Clover, she's intelligent and eager to please and was too easy to train. Would I recommend a Husky for a first time dog owner? Probably not. Would I recommend a Lab? Probably not (Mainly because of size and energy level and the fact that they can be troublesome.) On second thought, I really wouldn't recommend a dog to anyone who had no idea how to control it or fit their lifestyle. Maybe this APBT that attacked your dog had zero training/abused/rewarded for bad behavior/etc... There could be a lot of factors that have not been taken into consideration. I had an Australian Cattle Dog before. Although, the temperament of both parents was horrible and he inherited that. He was very loyal and protective of his family and hated any other person/animal/machine that came onto our property. No one could drop by the house for a surprise visit because Harley would go ballistic and would have attacked to kill. In the end, my father says he found someone to look after him and as much as I would like to believe he spent the rest of his days chasing cows... In reality I know he was put down because of this. Did we train him to be aggressive? Did we train him to protect? Nope, not at all. That came out naturally and believe me he was a well trained dog that came from bad breeding. I hate Poodles, I find them yappy, nippy dogs that I cannot stand. Am I being biased? Probably, I was bitten by my great-grandfather's poodle that he had on several occasions. Plus I have seen more poodles being the cause of dog fights at my dog park than any other dog. On top of that one poodle attacked Clover as a pup and I've hated them even more since. So, if everyone here started feeding me facts about how poodles are great dogs I probably wouldn't listen either. I'm sure the woman who's child was killed by a Husky (Happened near my place) wouldn't listen about how Huskies are great and you won't listen to any of this because you're already biased about APBTs because they killed your dog. I do like the point that someone before had made, if it had been a Lab or Retriever, would you have made this thread? Or was this just a way to attack a breed with a bad reputation? I have nothing against APBTs, Rotties, Dobies and the breeds with the bad reputation. On the contrary, I am more afraid of small dogs. Would I own one? Maybe a Dobie/Rottie mix, but I most likely won't because than no one would ever visit my house. My mom has just started overcoming her fear of these breeds by coming with me to the dog park. I have met the nicest APBTs and I've also met some mean ones, does that mean I hate the breed? Nope, not at all. Am I wary around them? Yes, as I am around every strange dog. Just because you think you know the breed does not mean that you should let your guard down. You don't know if the Lab in the neighbors lawn is aggressive and hates people, but people think that because of the breed that it must be a friendly dog. A lot of the stories I have heard about APBT bites around my area have been because humans were the cause of it. They were either poking through a fence with sticks, throwing rocks at it or teasing it. If someone was doing that to me I'd bite them too! Anywho... I've gone on enough. I'm sorry for the loss of your dog, but I know it doesn't matter what anyone says you're going to hate the breed no matter what. Although, one could hope that something sinks in.

Kazuko · February 2011

Every dog is dangerous. Every dog has the capability to be aggressive. Every dog has the potential to kill. There is no dog breed that lacks teeth and nail. There is no dog breed that won't use them if forced to. A 5lbs chihuahua is just as dangerous, if not MORE SO than a 40lbs pit bull. The reason? People have this preconceived notion that pit bulls are all vicious, angry, snarly attack dogs that will snap without a moment's notice. They don't expect the chihuahua to do that. And if even the small dog does, the owners just pick it up, coddle it, and laugh out an apology. Because their dog couldn't 'ever' hurt anyone. Sure, a pit bull can jump and grab the throat of a dog or human. A chihuahua can grab the throat of an infant, unable to defend itself. Sure, pit bull and rottweiler attacks seem most prominent in statistics. Have you ever considered the fact that not every attack is reported? I've even heard cases where someone was attacked by a chihuahua and reported it, claiming it was a pit bull puppy that bit them. I love all dogs and all breeds, if they're properly controlled and managed. But really, let's face it, I am much more on edge around small, yappy ankle biters than I am around rottweilers, doberman, pit bulls, boxers, or mastiffs, because the large-dog breed owners are usually very aware of the power in their dogs. The small dog owners just see a cute baby, incapable of harm, incapable or wrong, and if you so much as suggest they remove their dog, or take it to proper obedience training, someone'll fly down your throat and begin berating you because it's their baby, their child, and how dare you insinuate that their chihuahua is out of control! So really, I understand that you're upset about your Max being attacked, and I understand that this is a rant, but condemning all pit bulls (and JUST pit bulls it would seem >_>) is a bit of an overreaction.

Jellybeanjoe · February 2011

Nurture or nature? The question that makes my head spin on more than one occasion

Yes, humans can direct an animal's instinct and behaviour to an extent. We can train with kindness, and often any animal will react positively. Or there are some of us that will beat an animal into submission. This of course means some animals will turn around and attack in the name of defense, even in situations where kindness is shown to them. But then, there's examples out there of animals (never been touched or really handled by humans) who are very sweet and gentle, despite the reputation for their species. These animals go against the norm. What about animals who are fiercely protective? Something is never just nurture, or nature. It's is always a case of both. Yes, humans have bred certain dogs for their vicious natures. They're ability to fight. Their 'bad' temperaments. Yes there is now a change in the human world where many are trying to improve these breed's temperaments, but the fact is, many aren't trying to improve the breed. Take a puppy from parents who are naturally vicious, place it in a loving home that trains and socialises the dog properly. Well, we'd all like to hope that this would be enough to override instinct. It might, depending on the dog. However you've got to keep in mind that at any point, the dog might snap. Breeding and genetics is behind it, not human abuse.

So why am I posting? I've been in this situation. We went out and chose our new puppy (Maltese x Shihtzu). We met the mother. She was sweet. The father wasn't there when we visited. We took our puppy home. He went out regularly, had basic training (lead walking, sit, stay, etc). He grew up in a loving home. We were forced to stop taking him with us. He became overly protective to the point of lunging at people walking by. If we had visitors, he was locked up at home, otherwise he would fly at them. On rare occasion we'd forget and he would snap (luckily not severely, and he only managed to get family friends who were adults). He started to turn on us, if we found him in certain situations (think, moving off the chair/bed, away from the door, etc). He'd snap at us. We visited the vet on more than one occasion, and talked to some trainers. We ruled out any physical pain. He had already had the snip at an early age. He'd been 8 weeks old when we got him. We found no reason what-so-ever as to why he was doing this. The final straw? I was petting him one day. Not even somewhere where we knew he might get snappy. He was on the floor, looking at me lovingly one moment, next thing this dog is chomping up my right arm. No provoking what-so-ever. So bite marks (got a couple of scars to this day), and I blacked out due to the shock. Mum took the dog to the vet that day. He was so insecure that he was not safe to place. And we no longer trusted him in any way. He was put to sleep. He was only about 2-3 years old (I'm useless with ages). Looking back now, we suspect that genetics probably played a fair bit into his temperament. We never met the father remember? Maybe if we had, then we wouldn't have gotten the dog. Or maybe we would have suspected and maybe tried something different earlier on? Who knows. All we know is that we loved that dog despite his faults, and we gave him the best opportunity we could. Sometimes nature and genetics is against us.

The fact is breeds get a reputation typically for a reason. Yes, there is always exceptions to the reputation, however it should be used as a guide for initial contact. You should always be wary meeting any new dog for the first time. Beaglepaw, I am very sorry about your dog. After witnessing the after affects of a dog fight, seeing one's beloved pet die that way is heartbreaking. RIP Max the Chihuahua

Beaglepaw · February 2011

Thank you, mods, for having some understanding and nice comments to say. I know that some pits may NEVER EVER snap, but there's always a huge chance that they will. They can be the best dog, no signs of aggression or anything, for 14 years, even. But that fifteenth year, snap. They attack. They are unpredictable dogs due to their genes- nothing can change genetics. Look up pit bull attacks. There is a site that had a tiny tiny tiny scroll thing and they named on and on and on. 80% of the victimis DIED. If they were bred the way they used to be, they would be just as good as beagles, or labs, or goldens. Any dog (even a beagle) can snap! But certain breed's genetics make it quite likely that it will, whereas say, beagles and labs and goldens, have a low chance. But pitbulls and rotties have a high chance. I do not believe dobermans or GSD's are Dangerous Dogs. But pitbulls i know they are because I witnessed it, watch the news it will be there often, etc.

KittKattize · February 2011

Beaglepaw wrote:

Thank you, mods, for having some understanding and nice comments to say. I know that some pits may NEVER EVER snap, but there's always a huge chance that they will. They can be the best dog, no signs of aggression or anything, for 14 years, even. But that fifteenth year, snap. They attack. They are unpredictable dogs due to their genes- nothing can change genetics. Look up pit bull attacks. There is a site that had a tiny tiny tiny scroll thing and they named on and on and on. 80% of the victimis DIED. If they were bred the way they used to be, they would be just as good as beagles, or labs, or goldens. Any dog (even a beagle) can snap! But certain breed's genetics make it quite likely that it will, whereas say, beagles and labs and goldens, have a low chance. But pitbulls and rotties have a high chance. I do not believe dobermans or GSD's are Dangerous Dogs. But pitbulls i know they are because I witnessed it, watch the news it will be there often, etc.

Kyangel · February 2011

My opion is this: All my life i have owned dogs that were known for agression: i owned a rottie/ sheperd cross, a pure rottie, and now a boxer. Boxers arent agressive only in some cases but ik over 10 that arent and 0 that are. While owning a rottie i learned they are protective, u want to know whay? BECAUSE THEY WERE BRED FOR THAT!! they are police dogs. pit bulls are fighting dogs. Sadly US HUMANS bred them for that. If ur dog was attacked by a pit, its not its fault blame the owner. if my dog tyson (boxer) attacked a dog i wouldnt blame him, maybe i did something wrong. dogs like humans have instincts and idc if ur angry at the dog it wasnt its fault!!! If someone bought a pit bull they know its history, if u got it from a breeder most likely its fine. if its from a rescue it was prob a fighting dog therefore it should be taken care of differently. Before buying a pitbull, YOU HAVE TO DO RESEARCH... my family spent 3 years researching about the rottie before we got our dog dallas and our mix chevy. u have to know where the dog is coming from. Chevy had hip probs so we had to put him down at a young age and dallas had a brain tumour and was becoming aggressive and couldnt control it so at age 6 we put him down. Back to the point: If let say my nighbour bought a pitbull and it killed my boxer or german shorhaired pointer i would be mad at the dog and i think its right to put it down becuz obv. its not a safe dog but that is because of the owner!! people wake up smell the coffee life isnt ponys and rainbows and u cant keep not thinking before u buy a dog its not just a wake up one morning and do it kinda thing take time at least 2 months making sure its right for u... alot of the time pits can be dangerous yes and people have died from them along with other animals but its because of selfish people who created the breed. When u buy a pit and it attacks u better be ready to take the blame and make sure when u buy a dog u actually have a plan and know if there are other dogs around u, dont let ur dog run a muck actually be reasponsible as for pitbulls i love them and cant wait to get one one day and if u have a prob that personally i think its none of ur buisness

iluvdogs111 · February 2011

Kdogkennels wrote:

 people wake up smell the coffee life isnt ponys and rainbows and u cant keep not thinking before u buy a dog

I agree with you, and the ponies and rainbows thing made me laugh. You know, a lot of people made really good points on this post. Pit bulls do have fighting in their genes, in their instinct. You can't take that away, they are dangerous. However it can be controlled by people who are experienced and I think the major problem is, people don't know how to control their dog! You can't buy a dangerous dog just because you like the breed and think it's awesome and tough. If people knew how to control their dogs we wouldn't have this problem. And it's not just pit bulls! The breed I don't trust? Border Collies. Why? I was bit on the face by my aunt's border collie when I was only little. I was just trying to pet it, I had no idea that it didn't like to be bothered when it was lying down. I was what, 5 years old? Thankfully it was nothing serious, but my old neighbor was attacked by a border collie and had to get stiches! Yes, it was mostly his fault. But like others said, not everyone thinks of border collies or labs as dangerous, but any dog can be dangerous. I've never seen a lab bite in my life, and I would trust my dogs any day. But they could be very dangerous if they chose to be. I think little dogs are the worst. I don't like chihuahuas. I think a lot of them they're snappy, evil little dogs. And that's my opinion. Why did they get like that? People think they're so cute, "Oh, it's ok to let it get aggressive because it won't do any harm!" Same thing with people assuming pit bulls are great dogs and they're aggressiveness is just a myth, or something that can be easily controlled. I blame everything on the owners. Poor breeding, poor training, no control over the dog, whatever it is, it comes down to the owners 99% of the time.

Kazuko · February 2011

Now, before we start attacking Beagle for feeling this way, I'd like to point out this is a vent. ^^ We're all entitled to our own opinions, but let's not get overly snappy about someone else's. Again, sorry about Max, but try not to let that one dog affect your views on the breed as a whole. I've personally been attacked by labs, rottweilers, pit bulls, chesapeke bay retrievers, golden retrievers, dachshunds, chihuahuas, airedale terriers, schnauzer mixes... You name it, it's come after me. xD But I don't let my memories of those particular dogs affect my quality of life.

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