Hope I'm not the only one..

siebs2010 · August 2010

I've been volunteering at a shelter here for over 2 years, and I mean. I've seen some pretty seriously vicious dogs and even cats (xP) that are brought in. And I would have to say that the three MOST VICIOUS dogs that I have come across are... a YELLOW LAB / CHOW mix a BLACK LAB -They were together. Both Male. They had a family trapped in their own home because they had marked the territory as "theirs" and would run and snarl and bark and growl at any person in the family if they tried to leave the house. They both had to be control sticked and sedated to just be put into our humane officers truck. a JACK RUSSEL TERRIER mix -She had been brought in because she had snapped at the owner, and while in the shelter seem perfectly fine with us workers and had gotten adopted out. She was brought back the next day. The adopter had to go to the hospital because she had attacked his girlfriend/fiance/wife, and after being brought back into the shelter she went after our humane officer bet you thought at least one of those would be a pit bull, and if you did, SHAME ON YOU!!! And. I'm sorry if you take offense to that but, don't. I would just love to point out that I would trust a Pit over a Lab or Shepherd any day. At least I know if a Pit is going to attack me, you can tell in their stance and attitude. ++I'm open for discussion on this, and I promise to try not to be biased.

RoyalRaccoon · August 2010

So, is this about aggressive dogs or pit bulls? In my area pit bulls are generally the most aggressive dogs, and they have definitely been the most outwardly aggressive, and dangerous I've come in contact with. The quarantine rooms for dog attacks are normally packed full of pits or pit mixes. Of course, that's not to say I haven't come in contact with very sweet ones. Regardless of what appears to be the most vicious breed in my area, I approach all unfamiliar dogs with caution no matter what they may be. Honestly, there is just no way to know how an animal will react to certain stimuli, unless you know the background history of that individual animal(unlikely with shelter animals). These types of discussions always make me nervous, because they are often fueled by strong individual emotions. The problem I have with what you posted(my interpretation that is) is that you are telling people "SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!" if they may have thought you'd talk about a pit bull, because you feel it's a misrepresentation of the breed(right?), but yet you are so quick to say " I would trust a Pit over a Lab or Shepherd any day. At least I know if a Pit is going to attack me, you can tell in their stance and attitude." Fans of labs and shepherds could easily say "Shame on you for thinking labs/shepherds are unpredictable and/or aggressive." Essentially you are doing what you dislike,which is judging a whole breed. Also, what's so wrong with people who find one breed to be more aggressive than another? Based on an individuals experiences they could jump to chihuahuas, labs, poodles, pit bulls, or any breed. Clearly they've read things, or experienced things that have lead them to think that about a certain breed, just like your experiences have lead to you look at labs and shepherds as being untrustworthy. I'm not trying to start something, just pointing out something you might not have thought about. My personal feelings are that it's find for someone to be more cautious about certain breeds. Based on my own personal experiences I find shelter chihuahuas, pit bulls, and labs to be more prone to aggressive behavior than other breeds, but to state the obvious, there are always exceptions.

Kazuko · August 2010

Honestly, I think it all comes down to how the dog was treated and trained. Yes, some breeds have different prey drives, but really, a dog is first just that- a dog. I've been attacked (and by this I mean aggressively bitten) by my fair share including pit bulls, labs, chihuahuas, and rottweilers. I've also been aggressively chased, snapped at, or lunged at by more than a few dogs, including American bulldogs, schnauzers, chows, German shepherds, akitas, great danes, dalmations, chesapeake bay retrievers, huskies, and cattle dogs. There are VERY few breeds where I've seen more than one dog of where every single dog of that breed I've met has not shown me some signs of aggression. I admit, I treat some breeds with a bit more caution than others, just because experience has taught me to be especially wary.

iluvdogs111 · August 2010

Here's my thought on this. And I'm sorta agreeing with Princesushi here. Obviously you think people judge pitbulls too much and you don't like it. Now you are judging labs and sheperds as a breed. The reason people judge pitbulls is because they were trained to be aggressive from a long time ago. Now, I am not saying that I think they are all aggresive. However, they have a bad reputation. It's a well known breed for being big, strong, and aggressive. My friend believes this 100%. If someone is walking a pit bull, she won't go near it. If someone is walking any other dog, she wants to pet it. I believe that it depends on how you train a dog from an early age. Not all pitbulls are aggresive, some are very nice. But that doesn't mean that the breed in general is more aggressive than a lot of other breeds. Now, I just have to say something about labs. They're my favorite breed, I've grown up with them, I currently own two black labs. My labs are sweet, gentle, smart, loving, and obidient. Why? I started training them when they were young, even now I constatly train them new things, do agility, keep them working. Labs can be very different depending on how their owners handle them. They do have a lot of energy, they were first bred to retrive fishing nets so they must. If you let your lab get away with bad behavior, if you don't train them, they will give you trouble in the long run. But, in my personal opinion, if you do train them and excercise them, they will turn out to be a great dog. Most of the labs I've seen are great, loving dogs. I've seen quite a few with too much energy because their owners don't know what to do with them, but to be honest I've never seen an aggressive on in person. I'm not saying that some aren't aggresive. I'm not saying that the breed may be more prone to aggression than other breeds. Just as you are defending pit bulls, I am defending labs. Anyways, it all depends on how you train your dog. If you train it wrong or don't train it all, any breed can turn into a terrible, aggressive dog. THat's just my opinion.

HollyWood · August 2010

in my opinion about the pit bull and the aggression, I think it depends on how they were raised as a puppy. Some dogs can carry it through their blood. But depends how they are trained and how early in life they were trained. Being abused or being abandoned can cause such aggression. Heck there was a pit bull that randomly ran up to me, my first thought wasn't ''oh no it may bit me'' actually it was more like ''omg your so sweet why would people be afraid of this'' I don't support the way people say pit bulls are ''horrible'' because how they are labled as a breed and not for whats inside. Anyway xD

siebs2010 · August 2010

PrinceSushi wrote:

 These types of discussions always make me nervous, because they are often fueled by strong individual emotions. The problem I have with what you posted(my interpretation that is) is that you are telling people "SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!" if they may have thought you'd talk about a pit bull, because you feel it's a misrepresentation of the breed(right?), but yet you are so quick to say " I would trust a Pit over a Lab or Shepherd any day. At least I know if a Pit is going to attack me, you can tell in their stance and attitude." Fans of labs and shepherds could easily say "Shame on you for thinking labs/shepherds are unpredictable and/or aggressive." Essentially you are doing what you dislike,which is judging a whole breed. Also, what's so wrong with people who find one breed to be more aggressive than another? Based on an individuals experiences they could jump to chihuahuas, labs, poodles, pit bulls, or any breed. Clearly they've read things, or experienced things that have lead them to think that about a certain breed, just like your experiences have lead to you look at labs and shepherds as being untrustworthy. I'm not trying to start something, just pointing out something you might not have thought about. My personal feelings are that it's find for someone to be more cautious about certain breeds. Based on my own personal experiences I find shelter chihuahuas, pit bulls, and labs to be more prone to aggressive behavior than other breeds, but to state the obvious, there are always exceptions.

Let me make this clear. I am not judging any one breed. Though it may seem so, I am not. I'm simply stating experiences I have had, and I apologize if you have had problems pit bulls or other "bully breeds" but.. I never have. What I am trying to point out is how people react to certain breeds, and I'm sure most of you know how to approach a dog pit or lab, with caution. I do not just walk up to a pits cage because I think it looks nice. No. I'm not naive. I wait for the dog to get settled and walk around the room for it to get used to me and if it doesn't get into a certain stance then I proceed forward, if it starts to act funny I back away and give the dog time. I do this for labs and pits and german shepherd and mutts and every breed that comes in. I'm only saying that I can TELL if a pit is going to be aggressive from a distance. If the lab is very aggressive of course you can tell, but most dogs are hard to predict, and if you have ever been attacked or lunged at by a dog you thought was friendly then you know what I mean. I'm mostly against the judging of any breed because of its looks and how society makes them seem and people who are so afraid of the breed because one breed is talked about more than another. I've done research on things like this as for a project my senior year we had to compose a written argument, something like what a debate would be. Like I said, I'm open to discussion. And do not get me wrong, we have gotten calls about aggressive pits but when a person brought the dog in they were usually emaciated and had dog fight scarring and just basically what you would think a pit would look like (but not emaciated) and some were just aggressive from upbringing, but all breeds come in like that. And I apologize if someone is offended with the lab - pit comparison. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with someone thinking a breed is aggressive, what makes me mad is when someone (and I have seen this at our shelter) would rather walk up to a Black Lab who is growling with hair standing up because they think that is a safe breed, even after I've told them that the dog is aggressive. There is NO safe breed, I'm not saying one is more safe than another - just that a persons opinion of a breed is misconstrued because of society. I've met plenty of very friendly labs, and very aggressive labs. I've met plenty of aggressive border collie mixes, and I have a BC so I know what their temperaments are, and friendly mutts. I agree with Kaz about prey drives and that a dog is a dog, and I do understand that dogs have been bred for many different things. Labs were obviously bred to be able to stand chilling waters with their double coats and whatever else they have. Pits were bred to take down large animals, mostly bull and bear types, they were NEVER bred to be aggressive towards humans. Border Collies are bred for herding and blah blah if you play this game you all know that and probably everything else I could name. But EVERY dog is aggressive. My BC? Hates little kids, but she is fine with my family. And also with Kaz, I really believe that everything comes down to the way a dog was treated, Obviously the labs were abandoned for who knows how long and they were basically doing what they would do in the wild. Mark their territory and protect it. The point I'm trying to make, is not about one certain breed like you all think I am. I judge every dog with the same caution. I'm using labs to compare breeds because I have come across severely aggressive labs, if I had come across a BC more aggressive I would have compared to that also. Three people in my family own Labs and they are the sweetest dogs, we have a Border Collie, my uncle has rotts, my aunt has german shepherds and mixes, my best friends have a Great Dane, St. Bernard and .. I think it's a coonhound mix. I am in no way biased. I'm going from my own personal experiences from both people I've come across and breeds. I'm not only sticking up for pits, but all dogs who are believed to be aggressive because of mistakes made by their owners in training and socializing.

Shibagirl · August 2010

Really any dog dog breed has the potential to be aggressive. It depends on its breeding, the way it's treated, and socialization. Pit Bulls just happen to be one of those breeds that tends to be bred for aggression or treated wrong. It has nothing to do with the breed. This is not dog's faults. It really is people who do this and blame it on the dogs.

iluvdogs111 · August 2010

Well, I do agree with what your saying. I hate it when people judge a certain breed, especially labs because I know just what great dogs they can be-I've never had a bad experience with them. In fact, the only dogs I've know that were aggresive was jack russell terriers, (we owned one that snapped at my mom and little sister) and border collies. You may not think of border collies as the most aggressive breed but I was bitten by one and a friend of ours was attacked by one. Once again, it's like with any breed, some are aggressive and some are not. I'm sure every single breed out there has at least a few extremly aggressive dogs and at least a few extremly nice dogs. Like everyone else said, it really depends on the way it was treated/trained, and some shelter dogs are more aggressive than others because of their history.

siebs2010 · August 2010

iluvdogs111 wrote:

Well, I do agree with what your saying. I hate it when people judge a certain breed, especially labs because I know just what great dogs they can be-I've never had a bad experience with them. In fact, the only dogs I've know that were aggresive was jack russell terriers, (we owned one that snapped at my mom and little sister) and border collies. You may not think of border collies as the most aggressive breed but I was bitten by one and a friend of ours was attacked by one. Once again, it's like with any breed, some are aggressive and some are not. I'm sure every single breed out there has at least a few extremly aggressive dogs and at least a few extremly nice dogs. Like everyone else said, it really depends on the way it was treated/trained, and some shelter dogs are more aggressive than others because of their history.

I never said I didn't think bc's were aggressive, we've had bc's all my life and they have all snapped at someone at one point or other. I said I know their temperaments. I don't know why they snap but it's always at little kids, they even snapped at my sister and I when we were younger. I think it comes down to their herding instinct in them but I have no idea. And I also never said that a dog is just aggressive because it is. My whole point is that most people, not saying it is any one of you nor directed toward any of you it never has been, are far too judging based on another persons experience and not their own. Everything always comes down to the training and socializing of the dog, again, obviously those labs had been abandoned for so long that they started to act that way. Who knows they behaved before the incident, but they were aggressive at the shelter and severe measures had to be taken to even feed water and clean their cages

iluvdogs111 · August 2010

Hobs wrote:

iluvdogs111 wrote:

Well, I do agree with what your saying. I hate it when people judge a certain breed, especially labs because I know just what great dogs they can be-I've never had a bad experience with them. In fact, the only dogs I've know that were aggresive was jack russell terriers, (we owned one that snapped at my mom and little sister) and border collies. You may not think of border collies as the most aggressive breed but I was bitten by one and a friend of ours was attacked by one. Once again, it's like with any breed, some are aggressive and some are not. I'm sure every single breed out there has at least a few extremly aggressive dogs and at least a few extremly nice dogs. Like everyone else said, it really depends on the way it was treated/trained, and some shelter dogs are more aggressive than others because of their history.

 I never said I didn't think bc's were aggressive, we've had bc's all my life and they have all snapped at someone at one point or other. I said I know their temperaments. I don't know why they snap but it's always at little kids, they even snapped at my sister and I when we were younger. I think it comes down to their herding instinct in them but I have no idea. And I also never said that a dog is just aggressive because it is. My whole point is that most people, not saying it is any one of you nor directed toward any of you it never has been, are far too judging based on another persons experience and not their own. Everything always comes down to the training and socializing of the dog, again, obviously those labs had been abandoned for so long that they started to act that way. Who knows they behaved before the incident, but they were aggressive at the shelter and severe measures had to be taken to even feed water and clean their cages

I wasn't directing that at you or BC's, I was just using it as an example of a breed I'd had a bad personal experience with. When I said "You may not think of BC's as the most aggressive breed" I didn't mean you personally I just meant people in general, and I was just saying that to prove that any breed can be aggressive, whenther they have a good or bad reputation. And I completly agree it's all about the training.

UnknownDreamland · August 2010

Where I used to live it was home to pit bulls. Most people in my old city were unkind to others.. At least a murder a day. And even more unkind to animals, namely the pit bulls(I say pits bulls rather than APBT since most of these dogs were too stocky to be a pure) and the pit bulls in turn were aggressive. My dog has been attacked by 4 pits. One of them actually ripped my sister's toe nail off(she was lucky) as she tried to get it off of Bella. But all but one of these were because the owners were stupid. The other was a complete accident and more our fault than theirs. Basically, more often than not it comes from the owner. Are pits more prone to aggression? Absolutely. This breed is known for it's 'aggressive personality'(among some nicer qualities of course) so the dogs are prone to being bred, beaten, etc. by cruel owners. If you were a person who fights dogs or looks for aggressive dogs for various cruel reasons would you rather go for an aggressive lab or an aggressive pit bull? And so the cycle continues.

siebs2010 · August 2010

iluvdogs111 wrote:

Hobs wrote:

iluvdogs111 wrote:

Well, I do agree with what your saying. I hate it when people judge a certain breed, especially labs because I know just what great dogs they can be-I've never had a bad experience with them. In fact, the only dogs I've know that were aggresive was jack russell terriers, (we owned one that snapped at my mom and little sister) and border collies. You may not think of border collies as the most aggressive breed but I was bitten by one and a friend of ours was attacked by one. Once again, it's like with any breed, some are aggressive and some are not. I'm sure every single breed out there has at least a few extremly aggressive dogs and at least a few extremly nice dogs. Like everyone else said, it really depends on the way it was treated/trained, and some shelter dogs are more aggressive than others because of their history.

 I never said I didn't think bc's were aggressive, we've had bc's all my life and they have all snapped at someone at one point or other. I said I know their temperaments. I don't know why they snap but it's always at little kids, they even snapped at my sister and I when we were younger. I think it comes down to their herding instinct in them but I have no idea. And I also never said that a dog is just aggressive because it is. My whole point is that most people, not saying it is any one of you nor directed toward any of you it never has been, are far too judging based on another persons experience and not their own. Everything always comes down to the training and socializing of the dog, again, obviously those labs had been abandoned for so long that they started to act that way. Who knows they behaved before the incident, but they were aggressive at the shelter and severe measures had to be taken to even feed water and clean their cages

 I wasn't directing that at you or BC's, I was just using it as an example of a breed I'd had a bad personal experience with. When I said "You may not think of BC's as the most aggressive breed" I didn't mean you personally I just meant people in general, and I was just saying that to prove that any breed can be aggressive, whenther they have a good or bad reputation. And I completly agree it's all about the training.

Ahh, sorry for jumping to that conclusion. I think everyone has that one breed that they've had a bad experience with, and people would be surprised if they would open their eyes and realize that not all dogs are evil or nice and that they are basically the same just different looks and different reasons for being bred. Sorry if this topic put me on anyones bad side or misconstrued their judgement of me as a player ;]

siebs2010 · August 2010

Dreamland wrote:

Where I used to live it was home to pit bulls. Most people in my old city were unkind to others.. At least a murder a day. And even more unkind to animals, namely the pit bulls(I say pits bulls rather than APBT since most of these dogs were too stocky to be a pure) and the pit bulls in turn were aggressive. My dog has been attacked by 4 pits. One of them actually ripped my sister's toe nail off(she was lucky) as she tried to get it off of Bella. But all but one of these were because the owners were stupid. The other was a complete accident and more our fault than theirs. Basically, more often than not it comes from the owner. Are pits more prone to aggression? Absolutely. This breed is known for it's 'aggressive personality'(among some nicer qualities of course) so the dogs are prone to being bred, beaten, etc. by cruel owners. If you were a person who fights dogs or looks for aggressive dogs for various cruel reasons would you rather go for an aggressive lab or an aggressive pit bull? And so the cycle continues.

and so with rotties and dobies and german shepherds..these are all considered aggressive breeds and high risk, I'm sure if a dobie was the "dog of the century" basically it would be used for the same tactics. Dog fighters train their dogs to be aggressive towards other dogs though, NOT SAYING ITS RIGHT IN ANY WAY AT ALL I am 100% against dog fighting and handling in that way, but as soon as the dog they had turns on a person basically they would probably just shoot it on the spot. Pits are "the" fighting dogs because they were bred to tolerate high amounts of pain..i.e.. being able to take down a bear and hold on until their owner or the hunter could handle the situation -- also hence the "lock jaw" term.

UnknownDreamland · August 2010

Oh, I'm well aware. I was just making a comment about general pit aggression/dog aggression since that's what I know most about and I think this is just a discussion, right? (: But I agree, 100% against dog fighting and everything. ;D

Shibagirl · August 2010

Dobies were bred to protect tax collectors, and that's where some of their aggression comes in. German Shepherds are prone to aggression due to being protective, and maybe even being over bred. (Very popular breed.) Labs can be aggressive due to mistreatment and over breeding. Since they are the most popular breed in America they are easily found in puppy mills and 'backyard breeders'. (People who breed dogs just because they have 'papers') Toy breeds can be easily prone to aggressive behavior, but nobody pays much attention to then since they aren't as 'dangerous'. This is not the fault of any dogs, yes some areas have these problems more than others. But that's because some areas have more bad people than others. I hope that explains some things lol, not that I needed to.

Hibachi · August 2010

APBT's are annoying. lol. Not because I find them aggressive, they are just hyper lap dogs...my cousin has a 98 pound APBT and he annoys the heck out of me - he's still a puppy but he thinks discipline=play time. I would never own one because of how stubborn, strong, and hyper they are. My breeds are the Great Dane and English Bulldog. I like couch potato breeds. But, as said before any breed has the potential to be aggressive.

Minx · August 2010

I used to have the most amazing APBT ever. She was a deep red brindle and she was the sweetest girl. She was trained from 8 weeks to behave and was never hit or treated badly. She was also raised around 2 babies. She loved to play fetch and when it was storming she was the BIGGEST baby. She would nudge my door open to my room and sit there on the floor with her big brown eyes until i gave her permission to get on my bed with me and my maltese/rat terrier. She lived to the ripe old age of 9 and because of her i will ALWAYS have a place in my heart for pits with chocolate colored eyes.

Garnet · August 2010

Vampys pit was amazing.. Both Chey and Dixie were Vampy.. I miss them both =( I remember Chey crawling up on your bed and letting me use her for a pillow.. My neighbor has three fully grown pits and they are all sweet as can be! Jordan (the momma pit) i would lay in my front yard with her and we would nap together after school. My brother also has two pits. Boomer (the daddy pit) wags his tail at me and jumps up and puts his paws against my tummy and will chew on my arm =D hes the sweetest thing. Solid muscle and is able to defend us. A chocolate lab (stray) tried to attack my sister in laws nephew and cut his side up a little and boomer grabbed hold of him and snapped his back leg to get him off of Conner (the baby/human) but as soon as my brother said "Boomer! Drop him!" Boomer let go of the lab and went and laid in front of conner and licked him. Boomers son, joker jumps up in our laps and plays tug of war with us =D I personally LOVE pits and would have no problem with allowing them in my house and around my family. P.S. My brother took the lab to the vet that day

iluvdogs111 · August 2010

To be honest I don't really have any experience with pits, not a lot of people that I know own them. I do know they're not the dog for me, for similar reasons that Avla said. Amd Hobs, it's okay, I should have been more clear anyways. It's easy to misinterpret things on the internet.

Shibagirl · August 2010

They are big lapdogs if raised right. My uncle has a pit/lab mix who always sits on me.. Lol he is very well behaved though and loves people. He's a great kids dog.

siebs2010 · August 2010

Oh they so are, there is a full blooded red nose pit named Hooch and he is the biggest baby of a dog. I mean..he is so stocky and has a humongous head and jowls/jaws and when I walk up to his cage he goes nuts, wagging his tail and wiggling all over the place. I could never walk him though, I think.. Garnet you have a pic of one of your dogs up on some forum post.. the dark brown and white pit I think, Hooch has more muscle than him xP He's seriously a monster<3

Garnet · August 2010

Hobs wrote:

Oh they so are, there is a full blooded red nose pit named Hooch and he is the biggest baby of a dog. I mean..he is so stocky and has a humongous head and jowls/jaws and when I walk up to his cage he goes nuts, wagging his tail and wiggling all over the place. I could never walk him though, I think.. Garnet you have a pic of one of your dogs up on some forum post.. the dark brown and white pit I think, Hooch has more muscle than him xP He's seriously a monster<3

Nu uh lol the brown and white dog is an American Bulldog xD The Black one is the Pit and the pit is older and more muscled than he is in those pics lol those pics are like three years old xD

siebs2010 · August 2010

Garnet wrote:

Hobs wrote:

Oh they so are, there is a full blooded red nose pit named Hooch and he is the biggest baby of a dog. I mean..he is so stocky and has a humongous head and jowls/jaws and when I walk up to his cage he goes nuts, wagging his tail and wiggling all over the place. I could never walk him though, I think.. Garnet you have a pic of one of your dogs up on some forum post.. the dark brown and white pit I think, Hooch has more muscle than him xP He's seriously a monster<3

 Nu uh lol the brown and white dog is an American Bulldog xD The Black one is the Pit and the pit is older and more muscled than he is in those pics lol those pics are like three years old xD

xP thats the one i meant.. and I'll have to get a picture of Hooch, he's such a big monster baby

iluvdogs111 · August 2010

Wow, I don't think I'd want a pit on my lap.....they're so big! Then again my lab thinks she's a lap dog as well....

Garnet · August 2010

Hobs wrote:

Garnet wrote:

Hobs wrote:

Oh they so are, there is a full blooded red nose pit named Hooch and he is the biggest baby of a dog. I mean..he is so stocky and has a humongous head and jowls/jaws and when I walk up to his cage he goes nuts, wagging his tail and wiggling all over the place. I could never walk him though, I think.. Garnet you have a pic of one of your dogs up on some forum post.. the dark brown and white pit I think, Hooch has more muscle than him xP He's seriously a monster<3

 Nu uh lol the brown and white dog is an American Bulldog xD The Black one is the Pit and the pit is older and more muscled than he is in those pics lol those pics are like three years old xD

 xP thats the one i meant.. and I'll have to get a picture of Hooch, he's such a big monster baby

Mkay!! I wanna see when you get one =D He sounds SO cute!

DustyVinci · August 2010

In my own opinion, I think dogs are all individual and that no one should completely judge the dog just by its breed. What I mean is that when I'm volunteering at the SPCA I work at, I read the dog's paper first, let him lick my hand, pet him and stuff before letting him out. I couldn't care less what the breed is and it's the same with dogs I see everywhere. Each dog has their own history and personality - my dog, Chewie, for example. He's a black lab. Most people are afraid of him, believe it or not. They tend to stay away because he's black. But what they don't know is he's the craziest, goofiest baby of a dog I've EVER known lol I'll admit he used to bite playfully, but I trained him out of that. He's super sweet with everybody - actually he's scared of some people lol but he's never aggressive with anyone. Protective usually, but he's never snapped at anyone out of aggression. And just to add a little something about pit bulls, personally I have a bit of a liking for them, just because I love big tough scary breeds. Not to say all of them look this way, but you have to admit, most people DO find pits to be "gangsta" breeds =P I will admit that if I saw a random pit running after me all of a sudden (for example, I'm walking in the neighborhood) I would probably be afraid, just because I know they're more prone to aggression than any other breed I know. I don't like being afraid of them, but I can't seem to help it

But yeah, if it was a dog I KNEW already, of course I wouldn't be afraid of him just because it's a pit. My uncle for example loves tough breed dogs. He owned a huge german shepherd before and now he's got a super muscular boxer who could easily bite my finger off in a chomp. But I'm familiar with them, so yeah it's easier to interact with them. Aaaaand my train is going off course -_- Anyway, so there's my little two cents... I think

Hibachi · August 2010

I judge dogs by their breed, not in a bad way though. For example, many terrier breeds tend to be hyper and stubborn (Just like the APBT), I base my judgments off of experiences and research - that's a reason why I would never own certain breeds because while they may have their own personality they still carry the traits of say a terrier or a hound. If they makes sense. :P

Shibagirl · August 2010

Yea, like how people say Shibas are stubborn, tend to bolt, but aren't exactly hyper. It's true to the breed, but not all the personalities of all the dogs of that breed are the same, like some are much more cuddly lol =]

AirForceBlonde · August 2010

Hmm so being the pit bull advocate/owner that I am, I just have to throw my opinion in here. I just have to. In response to the posts saying how big pit bulls are... The original pit bull was only 35-50 lbs. The true pit bull is not a big dog. My Nalah is a true pit bull, she will top out around 40 lbs. Nowadays of course in America everything has to be bigger, so people breed the dogs bigger. I think the short stocky "pit bulls" look like pigs. There's one that lives down the street for me and he has such mass and width to him, he is sure to die young because their bone structure is not capable of holding 70+ of muscle. They snort and they sound like bulldogs, it's disgusting. Pit bulls are supposed to be light, muscular, and agile athletes, not huge and bulky.... BUT that's my opinion. In terms of aggression...*sigh*. It is forever a pointless argument because there is always SOMEONE who will blame individual breeds. First it was the Shepherds, then the Dobermans, then the Rottweilers, now the "pit bulls". (I rarely call a "pit bull" by APBT or AST unless it's registered as such by the UKC or AKC.) I worked for years (5+) at a no kill shelter. I was NEVER bitten by a pit bull type dog, ever. Nor any serious bites from any other breed because I completely understand K9 body language. If you study the posture and read the signals sent by each dog, you will know what it wants you to know about approaching him/her. I believe strongly in Cesar's idea of treating a dog like a DOG, not based on it's breed. Over all, a dog is a DOG, the breed just determines physical appearance and certain drives that will be emphasized in each dog. There is no breed that can be rightfully deemed "aggressive" in any sense, they are just dogs. The dobermans were guardians, rottweilers were herders, German shepherds were herders, Pit bulls were bullbaiters, Laboradors and other retrievers were just that, retrievers. They are dogs, the only thing making them a breed separate from others are physical appearance and varying drives. I could go on for days, but no one wants to read all of that. Hah

Hibachi · August 2010

I liked reading your post. xD But, why don't you call a pit bull APBT unless registered? American Pit Bull Terrier is the same as Pit Bull, just like the Dobbie will always be the Doberman Pincher. Unless I read your post wrong or you have a different outlook. You might not want to mention Cesar there will be war on that topic, I personally don't like him and I know others on here have strong opinions about it. xD My cousin has a 98 pound APBT and he is slender and nothing but muscle and I would say about the right height maybe a little taller, and he is purebred. Every dog is going to vary in size, not all pits will hit the 40 pound mark. Here is my cousins APBT: <img src="http://i34.tinypic.com/2qkmluv.jpg"; alt="http://i34.tinypic.com/2qkmluv.jpg"; class="bb-image" /> <img src="http://i33.tinypic.com/30wvwk5.jpg"; alt="http://i33.tinypic.com/30wvwk5.jpg"; class="bb-image" />

AirForceBlonde · August 2010

Oh I believe you that he is a pit bull and a gorgeous one at that, I just have a problem with people calling these pit bulls: <img src="http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff228/foster069/dogs1026-tile-tile.jpg"; alt="http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff228/foster069/dogs1026-tile-tile.jpg"; class="bb-image" /> <img src="http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp50/C_Hab64/400_huge_bully_pitbull_pit_bull.jpg"; alt="http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp50/C_Hab64/400_huge_bully_pitbull_pit_bull.jpg"; class="bb-image" /> I mean seriously. ^That's disgusting. I look at those dogs and I can see traces of American Bulldog features in them. Yet, they call them pit bulls and people believe them. The reason I don't address them by ABPT or AST unless they're registered is because of the crazy broad range of physical size and features. It's just a personal thing. All the American Staffordshire is is a smaller version of the American Pit Bull registered under a different name because the English were offended by the term pit bull and what it implied. My girl at 8 weeks, don't mind the mess, this was while I was moving hah: <img src="http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae21/airforceblonde/d47a9553.jpg"; alt="http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae21/airforceblonde/d47a9553.jpg"; class="bb-image" />

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