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The Pit Bull

edited April 2010 in General Discussion
First off, sorry if this is in the wrong area. It's not really a rant, more of a discussion. XD But, feel free to move if necessary. Thanks. :)<br><br><br><br>Now, just a short introduction so you don't get lost.. In my area, on a certain site, there's a very common debate over Pit bulls. People like to be against them, often flagging advertisements for Pits. They don't want them to find homes. They even flag shelter ads for saving Pit lives.<br><br><br>Today, watching these adults bicker back and forth about their opinions, I just felt I had to post a response to their fight. I figured I'd share it here as well.<br><br>
<br><br>Some of the things I'm responding to.. Edited slightly to make them appropriate. I didn't change any grammar or spelling.<br><br>"im so glad you feel you are confident in the training you supplied your pits with...and im sure they are great with your kids but im not leaving my kids alone with anyones pit because i know the HISTORY and GENETICS that go with that responsibility....<br><br>there are REASONS why this is such a debate, why they are insurance liabilities, why states or cities have banned them...ACTIONS speak louder then words..so do lawsuits and insurance claims. " <br><br><br>"Where did the dog get its trainning the ghetto.<br>Like I said don't you care about her being safe? "<br><br><br>"glad u like you chi..im not in them but then again no they cant hurt people because even a 5 yr old can hold them up and away from them...but they cant hold a 75lbs pit from their face..ask the little girl in dinwiddie a few months back, ask any of the children who are disfigured by uncontrolled pits..and visit the graves of the ones that didnt make it... "<br><br><br>
<br><br><br><br>Pit bulls, by the way, is a general definition for any dog that idiots think looks like an American Pit Bull Terrier, or Am. Staff. These include, Cane Corsos, Rottweilers, Labrador Retrievers, and many other breeds that aren't even real "Pits". The only reason Pit attack stories are the only ones displayed are because they make tasty headlines. Nobody wants to hear "Labrador Retriever mauls child." That just doesn't sit well with people, instead they want reasons to blame every breed that they don't agree with.<br><br>Did you know that American Pit Bull Terriers served in our military? So did German Shepherds, Dobermans, and other "dangerous" breeds. Did you know how many lives those dogs SAVED? The American Pit Bull Terrier was never bred to attack humans. Never. His origin was to attack bulls and eventually other canines. Back yard breeding, irresponsible raising, and improper canine ownership has led to the creation of unstable animals. FYI, any dog, improperly bred, trained, or raised would be the same aggressive animal.<br><br>The American Pit Bull Terrier used to be the most popular family animal in the United States. They are loyal, protective, and willing to please. If raised properly, they are amazing with children, other animals, and livestock. That doesn't mean though, that buying a BYB's dog is going to bring you a stable animal. It also doesn't mean that, just because you've seen one attack, been attacked, or heard of an attack, that it was the animal's fault. It doesn't mean that the dog was born "mean".<br><br>Someone made the comment that Pits are only in shelters because they make bad pets. Do you realize how irresponsible and uneducated that response was? Clearly you have no idea the concept of supply and demand, or the fact that there are idiots out there owning animals, or the fact that most places will not accept bully breeds. Pit Bulls are not a very wanted breed, but BYB's think they can make a quick $150-300+ off of each pup. While many pups are sold, people soon realize that these terriers need exercise. Then they realize that they don't want to take care of the animal anymore, or maybe their apartment complex found out and ordered them to leave or get rid of the canine. In California, for example, there are DOZENS of Chihuahuas in shelters. Hmm. Using your logic, I guess then that means the Chihuahua breed makes bad pets? Also, using that same logic, I guess those black dogs, older animals, Labrador Retrievers, and hounds all make terrible pets?<br><br>The American public is severely judgmental, very skeptical, and very easy to fool. If the media says it, if your friend says it, if the internet says it, it must be true. Why waste your precious time researching when you can just be ignorant and follow myths and biased media? -- Edited this second part out for certain content that might not be approved by TOS --<br><br>The same logic applies to animals. Someone says Pit bull and everyone is expected to shout "Kill them all!" Someone gets bit by a dog and, even if it might be a Labrador Retriever, or another breed, they cry "Pit Bull". I'm sorry that Jack Russell Terrier looked like a Pit Bull puppy, and you decided, with your misinformed brain, to blame the wrong animal. And no, I'm not saying that all "Pit bull" attacks are fake. Yes, several Pits have attacked humans. Guess what? Unstable animals, raised by disgusting individuals, and trained to be aggressive. Or, in some cases, the animal is trying to protect himself or a litter. No animal just decides one day to attack you or your kid. "Oh, well.. They've been good to me and all, but I'm just going to take a nice chunk out of their leg." It just doesn't happen.<br><br>With ANY dog, learn to read body language CORRECTLY. Wagging tails doesn't mean it's friendly. Just like barking doesn't mean it's aggressive. No child should be left alone with ANY dog, of ANY breed, of ANY size. Children can hurt them, just like a dog can hurt the kid. Intentional or not, it's your job to supervise your child. Blaming the dog because you're a terrible parent doesn't make sense.<br><br>American Pit Bull Terriers, raised with knowledgeable owners, are truly incredible animals. They are extremely loyal, willing to please, and are always goofing off. They're muscular, they can run for hours, and they'll do whatever job you ask them to do. In the right hands, that job is usually protecting the family, playing, weight pulling, agility, etc. In the wrong hands, that job is aggressive protection, dog fighting, and attacking animals in general. This breed is very versatile, and can work in whatever job you need it to do. That is why people exploit them, and that is why the average American is afraid.<br><br>If you wish to live by such bad, misinformed logic, be my guest. I certainly won't come after you for believing what you believe. However, instead of disrespecting the truth, or the fancier's beliefs, how about you just remain quiet? Go, spread media biased trash to your friends. I hope one of them has the guts to tell you that you're full of it.<br><br>BSL is going to come after the Pits. When they're done with them, I hope to heck that they're coming for your dog. If you won't stand up for us, why should we do any different? Oh yeah, that's right, because any BSL is terrible BSL. Dogs die because American people are too stupid to form their own opinions, do their own research, and finally just swallow the truth.<br><br>So when BSL affects your precious puppy, remember this. You allowed a Pit, GSD, Husky, or any other dog to die. Maybe you'll think about that when your precious thing is ripped out of your family's hands, and euthanized like a piece of garbage. You'll cry, you'll say everyone is evil, BSL is wrong, and so forth. The fanciers of this breed will just have to say, "We told you so." We'll fight for our rights to own the dogs we love and maybe not so much love, and you better be willing to fight for the dogs that you love - and the ones you "hate". Yes, we'll fight for your right to own your dog, your breed, but we'll know that you aren't grateful.<br><br>We cry for the dogs we love, the ones who died because of myths and fear. We cry for every shelter Pit bull, because we know how they'll end. We cherish every moment we have with our Pits, Dobermans, and Shepherds because we know that we may lose the fight. We fight to protect them from the ill wills of biased government. As the Pit Bull and "dangerous breed" owners, we owe it to our dogs to fight until we die. After all, wouldn't they do the same? <br><br><br><br>
<br><br><br>Just had to post that. ^^ I know there are Pittie lovers on here. <br><br><br><br>- Anastasia
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  • xD I've been attacked by pitties and I still love the things. I don't blame them for being pit bulls (they WERE Am. Pit Bull Terriers, not 'a dog with a boxy muzzle') I blame the owners for not training their dogs to not be food aggressive and my parents for leaving me, five years old, in the back yard with the two dogs. <br><br>Away from their food, they were the sweetest dogs. Just a bit touchy-feely about their dinner.
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  • Wow. That sounds a lot like my cousin. He was left alone with a giant Chow mix, food aggressive, and he was bit around the eye. His mother freaked out so much to euthanize their dog. <br><br>I know many attacks are by real Am. Pit Bulls. I've just heard a lot of stories about "Pits" that attacked, which weren't really pits, and just covered up.<br><br>About the Jack Russell, one of my friend aunts was at the dog park with my friend's Chihuahua. For some reason, the aunt took her daughter with her. This Jack Russell [adult, black and white] came up and bit her daughter when she went to grab a toy or something. Her mother wasn't even in the fenced in area anymore - she had gone off to talk to her new boyfriend. She took a picture of the dog when she got back inside the cage, screamed at the owners, and her family convinced her that the dog looked like a Pit Bull puppy. :roll: <br><br>My friend's cousin is only 6 years old. For her mother to leave her alone in a "cage" with large dogs, puppies, and other animals was the irresponsible part. <br><br>What's sad is that a JRT doesn't even have a boxy muzzle. They're so tiny too, I don't see how anyone could confuse them with a Pit or a Pit puppy.
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  • People do stupid things. xD<br><br>I've been bitten/aggressively chased by many other breeds too. Labs, rottweilers, german shepherds, chows, boxes, Am. bulldogs, chihuahua, schnauzers, dachshunds, wire-haired terriers, Chesapeake Bay retrievers... And it was almost always because their owners were idiots who decided not to train their dogs properly, or decided to let them into their yard without a leash.
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  • Blame the deed, not the breed.<br>The only time I've been attacked was because the owners did not train the dog at all. Was a lab, which are known to be good family pets. It just shows that training, or lack of, is almost always the cause of bad/aggressive behavior.
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  • o.O You've been bitten and/or chased more than me! XD I think I've been bitten by maybe twelve different dogs? I didn't really count how many dogs I've been chased by. Most often my bites are from my parent's Eskimo. I've never been bitten by a Pit, but I was chased by one when I was 8. His owners tied him up, beat him, and trained him to go after people. I definitely don't blame him, but I was scared to death when I realized he was coming after me. Then the next day I was bitten by a Maltese. XD Go figure. <br><br>I used to be a stupid kid. I'd walk around the neighborhood for hours looking for stray dogs to catch. :P I was luckily never bitten by any of them, but I sprained my ankle when an Aussie pulled me off of the sidewalk.
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  • i have Owned an American Pitbull Terrier nd she was the sweetest dog ever, never triede to harm anyone nd was absolutly FANTASTIC with children nd babies(of course we never left the room), they would crawl or her go under her nd everything. she was the best!!<br><br>on notes of being attacked, me nd my Siberian Husky have been attacked twice, once by a labrador mix at the offlead park, the dog came nd ran at us grabbing onto my Huskies Throat nd ripping at it(shaking his head lots), the owners ran over nd grabbed the dog nd tied him to a chair nd came over to make sure Kirrah nd i were ok, luckily Kirrah Being a Husky nd having a thick double coat saved her from puncutre marks nd she was only missing fur. the owners have told me that this dog has done it before nd now he will have to go back to the trainers to get this fixed again.<br>i was not happy when i heard that! but its not the owners fault, they adopted this dog nd its brother from nasty people.<br><br>the other time was at another off lead park nd this little Australian Silky terrier x some other terrier cam running at me nd Kirrah nd tried to attack kirrah, but then its owner who had been calling it nd calling it nd calling it finally got throught to the dog and it finally went back to playing ball with its owner.<br><br>now when i go to parks i have such a hard time trusing other dogs with my dog in fear that we are gonna get attacked again, nd my poor kirrah isnt well nd i worry that is gonna scar her as she is afraid of little dogs anyways nd now she has had one attack her, i cant trust any dog offlead around kirrah unless i know them<br><br>anyways here is a pic of my American Pitbull Terrier:<br><br><img src="http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/rescue15/gorjuzmissy.jpg"; alt="http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/rescue15/gorjuzmissy.jpg"; class="bb-image" /><br><img src="http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/rescue15/curiousmissy.jpg"; alt="http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/rescue15/curiousmissy.jpg"; class="bb-image" />
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  • edited April 2010 67.130.77.100
    Isn't it annoying? I never blame the dog, just ignorant people. There's plenty of dogs dying out there all the time, because people don't do their research. I grew up with my mom's pit, Rally. He is the best dog ever... came from fighting lines. The guy she got him from was arrested two or three days after she got him. The dogs were confinscated and most euthanized because of their use. Because I grew up with one, I know from experience I'm not strong enough willed to own one... I'm not aggressive enough with training and such, so I got two cocker spaniels... I'd probably end up with an out of control Pit, and I knew that. The only way I could ever get one is if I adopted an older dog, however that would be hard for me to do without knowing the people personally because it's hard to tell what they've done with their dogs you understand? So I made the decision that I wouldn't own one, and I'll stick behind that as much as I LOVE Pit Bulls.<br><br>Beautiful dog btw! SOO cute XD -squishes-
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  • Beautifull Pit Bull Horizon!<br><br>I just have to say i love pit bulls amazing dogs and extremly loyal.
  • thanks she was a beauty for sure :) nd yea they are NOT bad dogs, they are extreamly loyal nd loving family dogs if bought up right.<br>the fact is tho alot of people just dont know how to take a pit bull when they get one nd they get neglected, the truth is they are just like any other dog around, but they just have a bad name givin by people who know nothing about them, nd also they think it is easier to blame them coz of the bad rep they have already.<br>\<br>My Missy never had any issues, she was like any other dog nd would bark or growl to protect the home, BUT she NEVER made any attempt to bite or attack anyone or anything.<br><br>i also have pics proving how gentle she is coz she even had the jack russel tell her off(they lived together nd the jack russel was in charge) nd missy running away:<br><br>Jaffa(jack russel) nd missy <br><img src="http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/rescue15/jadmissd.jpg"; alt="http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/rescue15/jadmissd.jpg"; class="bb-image" /><br><img src="http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/rescue15/jadmis.jpg"; alt="http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/rescue15/jadmis.jpg"; class="bb-image" />
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  • Ahhh! I love this post. Your pit bull is BEAUTIFUL(: Anyway...I rehabilitate pit bulls that have been fought and/or abused. I'm pretty vehement about defending my dogs... The weird thing, I've rehabilitated pit bulls ever since I worked with Nova when I was 11 (I have a gifty pit bull i dyed in honor of him) and I have never been bitten by any of them. But yet I have scars from little dogs and people scoff when I tell them that I have never been bitten by any of my pit cases. They try and tell me oh well that dog must not be a real pit bull. Here's a picture of one of my absolute favorite cases, Joey. I also have a gifty I've dyed in his honor, I wanted to adopt him soo badly.<br><img src="http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae21/airforceblonde/NE4013349237-1-x.jpg"; alt="http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae21/airforceblonde/NE4013349237-1-x.jpg"; class="bb-image" /><br><br>Anyway...I love pit bulls. The several pit bulls I've taken out of fighting situations (Nova being the first one) all absolutely <span style="font-weight:bold">adore</span> children. Nova especially bonded with the youngest boy (5 yrs, Nova was 5 as well) in his adoptive family. I wouldn't normally want to risk adopting a previously fought dog out to a home with such young children but the way he immediately attached himself to this boy was tear jerking. I have a lot of opinions about this breed and I'm well researched (did I mention I own 6 books on this breed alone?)<br>I'm also getting a tattoo dedicated to my pitties across my shoulder blades...The head I drew using a picture of Nova since he was my very first pit bull and rehab case.<br><br><img src="http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae21/airforceblonde/15167_1301183212465_1316970066_3090.jpg"; alt="http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae21/airforceblonde/15167_1301183212465_1316970066_3090.jpg"; class="bb-image" /><br><br>I plan on adding a small (small) paw print in some pattern for each pit bull I have rehabilitated.[/img]
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  • Ahhh! I love this post. Your pit bull is BEAUTIFUL(: Anyway...I rehabilitate pit bulls that have been fought and/or abused. I'm pretty vehement about defending my dogs... The weird thing, I've rehabilitated pit bulls ever since I worked with Nova when I was 11 (I have a gifty pit bull i dyed in honor of him) and I have never been bitten by any of them. But yet I have scars from little dogs and people scoff when I tell them that I have never been bitten by any of my pit cases. They try and tell me oh well that dog must not be a real pit bull. Here's a picture of one of my absolute favorite cases, Joey. I also have a gifty I've dyed in his honor, I wanted to adopt him soo badly.<br><img src="http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae21/airforceblonde/NE4013349237-1-x.jpg"; alt="http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae21/airforceblonde/NE4013349237-1-x.jpg"; class="bb-image" /><br><br>Anyway...I love pit bulls. The several pit bulls I've taken out of fighting situations (Nova being the first one) all absolutely <span style="font-weight:bold">adore</span> children. Nova especially bonded with the youngest boy (5 yrs, Nova was 5 as well) in his adoptive family. I wouldn't normally want to risk adopting a previously fought dog out to a home with such young children but the way he immediately attached himself to this boy was tear jerking. I have a lot of opinions about this breed and I'm well researched (did I mention I own 6 books on this breed alone?)<br>I'm also getting a tattoo dedicated to my pitties across my shoulder blades...The head I drew using a picture of Nova since he was my very first pit bull and rehab case.<br><br><img src="http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae21/airforceblonde/15167_1301183212465_1316970066_3090.jpg"; alt="http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae21/airforceblonde/15167_1301183212465_1316970066_3090.jpg"; class="bb-image" /><br><br>I plan on adding a small (small) paw print in some pattern for each pit bull I have rehabilitated.[/img]
    <br><br>aw thanks she was a beautiufl girl nd i think she still is!<br>if i am ever brave enough to get a tat may i also use the same design please? i will change it a bit if allowed??? i love the pic you posted
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  • if i am ever brave enough to get a tat may i also use the same design please? i will change it a bit if allowed??? i love the pic you posted
    <br><br>Of course(: I might post more designs after I finish drawing/touching them up if you'd like.<br><br>Haha I love the picture of Joey, although it doesn't show how much of a crazy boy he is. We had professional photographers come in to the shelter and take pictures of the dogs to use on our website. I held on to the one of him(:
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  • if i am ever brave enough to get a tat may i also use the same design please? i will change it a bit if allowed??? i love the pic you posted
    <br><br>Of course(: I might post more designs after I finish drawing/touching them up if you'd like.<br><br>Haha I love the picture of Joey, although it doesn't show how much of a crazy boy he is. We had professional photographers come in to the shelter and take pictures of the dogs to use on our website. I held on to the one of him(:
    <br>thank you :) it means alot, i no longer have missy nd i would get her name put on it somewhere :)
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  • if i am ever brave enough to get a tat may i also use the same design please? i will change it a bit if allowed??? i love the pic you posted
    <br><br>Of course(: I might post more designs after I finish drawing/touching them up if you'd like.<br><br>Haha I love the picture of Joey, although it doesn't show how much of a crazy boy he is. We had professional photographers come in to the shelter and take pictures of the dogs to use on our website. I held on to the one of him(:
    <br>thank you :) it means alot, i no longer have missy nd i would get her name put on it somewhere :)
    <br><br>Aww(: well in that case, I have a good design I'm working on that I think you'd probably really like so I'll post it when I'm done with it! Might be a while though..I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to my drawings haha
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  • if i am ever brave enough to get a tat may i also use the same design please? i will change it a bit if allowed??? i love the pic you posted
    <br><br>Of course(: I might post more designs after I finish drawing/touching them up if you'd like.<br><br>Haha I love the picture of Joey, although it doesn't show how much of a crazy boy he is. We had professional photographers come in to the shelter and take pictures of the dogs to use on our website. I held on to the one of him(:
    <br>thank you :) it means alot, i no longer have missy nd i would get her name put on it somewhere :)
    <br><br>Aww(: well in that case, I have a good design I'm working on that I think you'd probably really like so I'll post it when I'm done with it! Might be a while though..I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to my drawings haha
    <br><br>aww really? :) thanks.<br><br>i wish i could draw well
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  • if i am ever brave enough to get a tat may i also use the same design please? i will change it a bit if allowed??? i love the pic you posted
    <br><br>Of course(: I might post more designs after I finish drawing/touching them up if you'd like.<br><br>Haha I love the picture of Joey, although it doesn't show how much of a crazy boy he is. We had professional photographers come in to the shelter and take pictures of the dogs to use on our website. I held on to the one of him(:
    <br>thank you :) it means alot, i no longer have missy nd i would get her name put on it somewhere :)
    <br><br>Aww(: well in that case, I have a good design I'm working on that I think you'd probably really like so I'll post it when I'm done with it! Might be a while though..I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to my drawings haha
    <br><br>aww really? :) thanks.<br><br>i wish i could draw well
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  • thatsa awesome i love draweing aswell. if i find any i will PM you
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  • Paranoid, it's a good thing if you can recognize whether you can handle a dog or not. :) They do require firm ownership, but I think that's one of the fun things about them. They offer a challenge - physically, mentally, and socially. Cocker spaniels are great little dogs. :) I love their color patterns, and the speckles. XD <br><br><br>Horizon, you have such a gorgeous dog! :D Oh wow! I love her color! <br><br><br><br>I would love to own a Pit, but until I move out, I'm stuck living with a very anti-Pit/pro-BSL father. :/ <br><br>This was the best Pittie I've ever met. I loved this dog. His owners were abusing him. He had little marks on his face, muzzle, and back. My owners attempted to choke him, and that was the first day I met him. The last day I saw him was Feb. 4, 2009. <br><br>They later told me that they euthanized him because he was, basically, a bad dog. I don't know if it's true or not, but they had no reason to lie. If he is out there, I'll find him. I would have given anything to own this boy. <br><br><img src="http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u24/SwiftlyRedtailed/sons.png"; alt="http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u24/SwiftlyRedtailed/sons.png"; class="bb-image" /><br><img src="http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u24/SwiftlyRedtailed/meandsonnythepit.png"; alt="http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u24/SwiftlyRedtailed/meandsonnythepit.png"; class="bb-image" /><br><br><br>GermanShepherds, Joey is incredibly beautiful! :) That's great that you have the opportunity to rescue/rehab them.<br><br>I love that tattoo design! Would you mind if I got something similar?
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  • thanks yea missy did have a gorgeous eye catching colour. i miss her :)
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  • That was a really good reply. This might sound biased but I personally would never adopt a Pit Bull (mutt or pure) from a shelter if I had children. Maybe if I was alone and had tons of time to put into it. If I wanted a stable dog I would go to a breeder, a GOOD breeder. I know there are Pit Bull lovers out there thinking I'm an uneducated !@#%#@% ..... but I've come to the decision that no, Pit Bulls aren't aggressive. Just like Cane Corsi aren't aggressive, Presas aren't aggressive... BY STANDARD. They <span style="font-style:italic">can</span> be, but they aren't <span style="font-style:italic">naturally</span>. I don't want to have to raise a dog that someone else raised wrongly. I've done it before and if I have to do it again I may go insane.<br><br>I don't care that it's a Pit Bull.. a dog is a dog. Until I <span style="font-style:italic">knew</span> what I was getting (that means going through a breeder so I know the background of the dog and the temperaments of the precursors) I probably would not rescue one. If I could do a 3-week foster thing before I actually adopted it, that would help a lot. I wish more shelters did that. I just wouldn't want it to go through going into a new home and then having to be taken back to the shelter if 'it wasn't right.' Then again.. they don't really KNOW, do they.
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  • I personally probably would not go the rescue route again, unless I can also do the foster/try-out type of program. I love my dog, I'd rescue her again if I had to make the decision again, but rehabbing her has been a lengthy process. She is still being rehabbed on some issues, and I've owned her for almost two years. Her previous owners did some terrible damage to her mentally and physically. The rescue group didn't temperament test her, just said she was sweet and hyper. She was, but I was never told of her car fears, people fears, dog fears, cat fears, stair fears... All of her fears. XD I volunteered there and I never noticed any fear from her. Of course, they neglected her, so it's not really a surprise that they'd miss anything. <br><br>I agree that you don't know the temperament of the dog. There are some that use the "proven" methods of behavioral testing, but there are going to be situations that I know they can't test. There is a huge difference between shelter-living and real-living, and the difference may be good or it may be bad. Either way, people should have the ability to find out without judgment. <br><br>One situation I'm sure most people don't think about is whether the dog is "racist" or not. [I know it's not racism, but it's easier for me to describe it that way.] My parent's Eskimo hates all strangers, but especially if they're non-white or males. She wasn't socialized properly, and beaten by my father when she was younger. I know they don't do that type of testing at the shelter. What if a kid's friend looked a certain way, and the dog attacked? Same thing might go for people in wheelchairs, on bikes, or on skateboards. I've seen a dog go from this sweet family pets to very aggressive towards their child owners once they set foot on a skateboard. I've seen a German Shepherd, very sweet, become suddenly aggressive when the owner's kid and I were trying to play soccer. Both dogs were adopted from shelters, both dogs were approved as sound family/children dogs. Sounds improbable, but I it could happen. That and it's the only example I can think of at the moment, heh. <br><br>It's true that shelters really can't test for everything. I guess nobody could. Some shelters will penalize you for returning an animal; some even make it impossible for you to adopt again. I love the shelters that offer foster-to-adopt or trial adoption programs. People should have the opportunity to live with the dog, test it out, work with it, and see if there are any issues that might complicate things. I know shelters have to cover themselves by saying in adoption contracts "We cannot guarantee the health or temperament of this animal. By signing this, you agree to take responsibility for any veterinary bills or liability issues that may occur." <br><br>One of the shelters out here will penalize you each time you return or drop off an animal, even if you don't own it. My mom got penalized for dropping off a stray dog that we found on a very busy highway. If you adopt and return an animal, they won't refund the money. [I think it is reasonable to a point.] Three points, or three animals returned/dropped off will ban a person from adopting at the shelter. <br><br><br>Reputable breeders are always a good choice if you can't trust the humane society or rescue group to do a thorough behavioral test, or to try the dog for yourself. I think my first Pit will likely be from a (reputable) breeder; I just need to find one that doesn't require co-ownership. Then after that I might do some Pit fostering. In my area there's a fantastic bully breed rescue group that does thoroughly test for behavioral issues, and all dogs are fostered to get them adapted to the home environment. :) If I got a rescued Pit, I'd go through them. They take bullies from shelters, so it's a life saved, just with extra "insurance" on the temperament.
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  • <br>One of the shelters out here will penalize you each time you return or drop off an animal, even if you don't own it. My mom got penalized for dropping off a stray dog that we found on a very busy highway. If you adopt and return an animal, they won't refund the money. [I think it is reasonable to a point.] Three points, or three animals returned/dropped off will ban a person from adopting at the shelter.
    <br><br>OMG, our shelter too. I was taking in a stray tom cat(which they no longer require you to pay for, but really push for a $25 donation). Anyways, at the same time a man had brought in 3 dogs he found on a very busy street where one had only come seconds from being hit. They charged him $150 for turning them in!! OMG, that man was ANGRY! He actually asked them "What if I don't want to pay? They aren't my dogs. Am I supposed to just dump them outside on the street?" and the person at the desk said yes!! The man was amazing though, because he cared enough about the well being of the dogs to actually pay, unlike the shelter who just wanted the money. It's one of the many reasons why I've come to detest that shelter.
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  • Wow! Why did I not see this thread until now? I think it's pretty obvious and well-known on this site that I'm a huge American Pit Bull Terrier lover. I would have been at a dog show today if the weather wasn't so horrible. <br><br>I'll be honest and say that I didn't read everything... that's a lot of reading. I just scanned most of it. First off, I just want to say that there were some stunning dogs posted in this thread. I really liked the pit bull tattoo design. I fully intend to get a tattoo similar to this one. I'll definately have someone redraw it. I don't like the shape of the dog's muzzle and I won't have the text on it. <br><img src="http://www.cockerpoodledoo.com/resources/PitBullMemory.gif"; alt="http://www.cockerpoodledoo.com/resources/PitBullMemory.gif"; class="bb-image" /><br><br>There will always be at least one APBT in my life. They are amazing dogs in the right hands. They need a strong-willed owner that will do something with them. Similar to Border collies, APBTs will find something to do if you don't give them an activity. They are high energy, versitile dogs. They will do anything you ask of them. <br><br>For example, I work at the local animal shelter and last weekend I brought home a shelter dog. She has been at the shelter for three weeks as of today. So, last weekend she knew me for two weeks. So I brought her home and put her in the weight pull harness. She didn't know me well and honestly, I didn't know her well. She pulled for me just to make me happy. She didn't have to do it but she did. This just shows me how much of a people dog they are. A stable dog will do anything for anybody. They don't know strangers. Nine times out of ten, Scarlett is just another backyard breeder dog. She probably doesn't have any papers for a fancy registry. She's obviously has had many litters of puppies. She was found by one of the covered bridges out in the country. Someone dumped her because they no longer desired her. She is an amazing dog who is being euthanized on Monday. Why? Because she is a pit bull. The director of my shelter thinks that anyone in my area that wants one is a dog fighter. That statement is so wrong. The dogs aren't even given a chance. Last week another stray was euth'd because of his breed. We are a "no-kill" shelter. :roll: <br><br>I honestly can't say that my next dog will be from a shelter or a breeder. I had planned on getting a show pup from a breeder this spring/summer. But, it looks like the breeding isn't going to take place until late this year. Either way, I'll be getting a stable dog... hopefully. You never know what you'll get with a puppy. Even if they have amazing parents, you never know. With adult dogs, you know what you're getting. They aren't going to be an awesome people friendly puppy and then hit maturity and suddenly decide that they don't like people anymore. I'm just rambling now but hopefully you get my point. <br><br>I really want to point out that dog aggression and human aggression are very different things. Some people do not realize it. Because your dog attacks a cat or another dog shouldn't be a death sentence. That doesn't mean that your small child will be next. Take into account what these dogs were bred to do for many generations. Yes.... dog aggession is genetic. It's not "all in how you raise them." That being said, you should never leave ANY dog with a child unsupervised. That's just asking for trouble. <br><br>In my time working at the shelter, there have been many dogs come in for biting people. The number one breed type being held is Border collie or a mix thereof. We also had a nasty dachshund come in but that's another story in itself. Never once has a pit bull come in on a bite hold. We dog get a number of strays picked of by AC though. Our shelter has a strict policy on bite dogs. They are always euth'd. I believe they should be too. There are too many stable dogs out in the world to keep human aggressive dogs alive.<br><br>Since I've been working at the shelter, I've only been bitten by one dog. It was a pug mix. And he didn't just bite me once. He did it over and over on my arm and hip. Other than him, no other shelter dogs have bitten me. My neighbor's Labrador is the only other dog I've ever been bitten by.<br><br>Anyhow, I've been an APBT owner for going on six years and a lover of the breed for my entire life. I was lucky when I got my Emily. I know both of her parents and their temperaments. She has a mix of the two. I'll be honest and say that Em does have her issues but I can deal with them. An owner needs to know the breed before they bring one into their home. They aren't the breed for everyone. There are too many people breeding them because it makes them look cool or tough. And as with any breed... DO YOUR RESEARCH.<br><br>That's it. lol I'll stop rambling on again. The breed is a very sensitive subject for me and I get very emotional when somebody bad mouths them or treats them wrong. My one true love in life is the APBT.
  • I love your passion for them Zagari. It's very real and admirable.<br><br><br>But hmm.. I believe, to an extent, that aggressive dogs can be "fixed." Mine <span style="font-style:italic">was</span>. It was hard, but it happened... and she's probably twice and a half the weight and size of a Pit Bull.... and strong.... Good Lord she was strong. She nearly pulled me off my feet every time she saw a dog, and I'm 6'1" and not exactly your average body type. So yeah, my dog has taught me that if you REALLY want to, an aggressive (dog aggressive, human aggressive, whatever) dog CAN be rehabilitated. I think it's strange that ALL "aggressive" dogs are euthanized. <br><br>I used to watch that Animal Cops show and at the end they would test dogs for food aggression in a back room, by feeding them a bowl and sticking a fake plastic hand in it. I specifically remember one. He looked sort of like an Anatolian... he obviously showed serious food aggression at first and after he warned with teeth baring, he bit the hand and it wasn't just a quick bite and you're done, it held on for about 5 seconds moving his head back and forth in a prey-type way. And plus, if it was an Anatolian or some type of Kangal dog, that should have been considered. He was euthanized. I couldn't believe it! Otherwise he was a BEAUTIFUL dog and had suuuch a sweet temperament and was good with other dogs. They should have just been like... put him in a home with no children and people that DON'T put their hands in their dogs dishes while they're eating. (Who does?!!)<br><br>Ugh. <br><br>That doesn't really have anything to do with Pit Bulls.. but.. it just proves the case that some shelters really are not up to par and how they should be with fostering, temperament testing, even euthanasia.<br><br>I'm starting to think that if I ever decided to rescue again, I would like to do my own temperament test with the plastic hand, fetch, other dogs, and take it for a walk and see. Then I could <span style="font-style:italic">personally</span> find out and understand this dog and its fears and things that provoke aggression. I think that's so lame that that shelter Ana was talking about PENALIZES. :? Better dropping your dog at a shelter than dumping it in the middle of nowhere for it to die of hunger or being hunted by larger animals.<br><br>*sigh* Bottom line.. <span style="font-style:italic">any</span> dog can be aggressive, any dog can maul a child in a pack or alone, any dog can bite. While aggression IS genetic, 80% of a dog's "good temperament" is from socialization and how it was raised, disciplined, all that. I've been told this by NUMEROUS dog trainers and PP & Sportzhund breeders.<br><br>I'm really on the fence about rescuing tbh. I would sponsor a dog if it needed it, but it does't necessarily mean you should adopt it.
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  • <br>One of the shelters out here will penalize you each time you return or drop off an animal, even if you don't own it. My mom got penalized for dropping off a stray dog that we found on a very busy highway. If you adopt and return an animal, they won't refund the money. [I think it is reasonable to a point.] Three points, or three animals returned/dropped off will ban a person from adopting at the shelter.
    <br><br>OMG, our shelter too. I was taking in a stray tom cat(which they no longer require you to pay for, but really push for a $25 donation). Anyways, at the same time a man had brought in 3 dogs he found on a very busy street where one had only come seconds from being hit. They charged him $150 for turning them in!! OMG, that man was ANGRY! He actually asked them "What if I don't want to pay? They aren't my dogs. Am I supposed to just dump them outside on the street?" and the person at the desk said yes!! The man was amazing though, because he cared enough about the well being of the dogs to actually pay, unlike the shelter who just wanted the money. It's one of the many reasons why I've come to detest that shelter.
    <br><br><br>Yeah. Our county's shelter is terrible in all of it's practices. Dog cages are stacked on top of each other. There is no AC/heat or ventilation. Volunteers are few, because they fire anyone who tries to change the shelter. No personal cameras, video recorders, or news personnel are allowed to bring their equipment. Once inside the kennel areas, you're not allowed to use your cell phones. <br><br>The citizens here just don't care to boot out the staff and hire new people who will change the system. The state vet is aware of the situation, yet has just "suggested" changes. Since the animals are adopted out without vet care or spay/neuter, there are no or very few local veterinarians who help the shelter out. The staff doesn't follow up on adoptions, so people love adopting purebreds and then claiming the dog died or ran away, and thus there is no record of him/her being fixed.<br><br><br>Zagari, you are definitely known to love APBTs. :) Like Reina said, your passion for them is admirable. It's a shame not everyone has such strong (positive) feelings for them.<br><br>I very much so hate the puppy phase, on any breed. It might sound wrong, but I don't like going through the chewing, the teething, and making people understand that they have to handle my puppy my way. A lot of people I know, will just let the puppy chew on their fingers, bite, or play roughly. I could tell them to knock it off as many times as I wanted, but if I dare to remove my own puppy, they call me an animal abuser or claim I'm jealous. [Weird. XD]<br><br>I'd love the opportunity to adopt a Pit 6 months+ from a breeder, or a retired breeding/show dog. If I absolutely had to, I'd take a puppy, but if I'm using it for a real purpose (protection work, etc.) then I can't do it if I ever want to show the dog to my friends or family. I suppose I couldn't say my first real Pit would be from a breeder. I do have a big heart, and I'd take a hurt, homeless, or dying Pit in a heartbeat. I can't say I'd keep him/her, but there's always the chance I'd fall in love with one. For my other desired breeds though, I'd go with a breeder no matter what, because I want them for protection training. <br><br><br>The "no kill" shelter that I adopted Mimi from will kill animals that the volunteers don't like or don't want to take care of any more. There was this gorgeous little kitty there, very sweet, extremely adoptable. She got sick and needed constant care for just a few days. She just needed help eating and maintaining fluids - she could have made a full recovery. Her foster said no, just put her down, tell the shelter manager that she had leukemia or something. >< Poor kitty. Just had a sensitive stomach to her old food, just needed a little help for a few days, and killed because they didn't want to care for her anymore. <br><br>Several shelters out here won't adopt out Pits to anyone other than a non-profit rescue. Otherwise they are euthanized within 3 days of being in the shelter. I think on average, one of the shelters kills between 6 and 14 Pits or Pit mixes every week. <br><br><br>Dog and human aggression are two different things. I like handling dogs that have aggression issues, honestly. I like showing owners how to handle their dogs, because most of them don't know how to recognize triggers or key body language. I don't like dogs that show human aggression, but I'll work with them. I would honestly rehab any dog for anyone, and I can/have done it. <br><br><br><br><br>Aggression isn't something that will ever go away completely though, and I think that's one thing that people would rather not believe. You can have the best trainer work with your dog. You can work with your dog for several weeks. You can use whatever methods you have at your disposal. Some people will hire trainers, "cure" the problem, and think they never have to worry about issues again. Then some people think they can just ship their pet off to "boot camp" and it'll come back perfect forever. Once the owner slacks off, makes the same mistakes, or just doesn't pay attention, issues can come back. <br><br>If you can dedicate the rest of the dogs life to controlling the aggression, maintaining a calm, trigger free environment, and being able to react correctly if it does get set off, then I don't see why the dog should be euthanized. Realistically though, many dog owners will slack off, and then they blame everyone else but themselves. <br><br>Aggressive dogs in shelters, or with people who don't know how to control them, probably should be euthanized. There are lots of non-aggressive dogs who also need homes, and trying to keep aggressive animals is pointless. I don't do adoption statistics or work at a shelter, but I doubt many of the adopters would be able to handle an aggressive dog. I know several are probably first time dog owners or parents wanting a child's pet. The odds of someone walking in and having specific aggression experience, looking for a challenge, is probably extremely slim.<br><br><br>If it meant I could save a life, I would gladly dedicate dozens of hours to rehab an aggressive dog. Right now, I can't take a live-in rehab. As for owner-rehabs, people here wouldn't trust an 18 year old to rehab their dogs. :P My friends, neighbors, and people who've seen me work dogs know I can do it, but that's as far as my reach goes at the moment. <br><br><br>Reina, congrats on not giving up on her! ^-^ <br><br>I would pay a reasonable fee to drop off an animal, but if I was asked to pay $50+ to drop off a stray, I'd keep it. I could always call AC and tell them to pick it up, or I could try to find it's owners, fix it up, work with it, and then adopt it out if nobody wanted it. <br><br><br>As for the genetics.. My parent's Eskimo wasn't socialized. Her mother had aggression issues, and had been kicked out of the showing career for it. Her father was a stable show dog, but didn't have the correct fur type for actually winning. Why her breeder thought it was okay to breed them is beyond me, but at any rate, she bred an unstable dog with a dog who wasn't up to standard. I wouldn't blame her genetics for it, rather her lack of socialization + beatings as a pup. I suppose someone could argue that her raising was just icing on the top, or that the genetics were just icing. :P I don't study genetics though, but someday I'll have to if I want to breed & train protection Malinois.<br><br><br><br>Great conversation thus far. :D You all are making my mind work, definitely. :P
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  • I'm just glad that the thread hasn't taken an negative turn. Maybe I just care way to much, I don't know, but everytime a thread like this pops up, I cringe and think, "Here we go again..." I've been in so many "pit bull" discussions on the internet that I've pretty much just given up on them. Us responsible owners will never win the debates - ever.<br><br>
    Aggressive dogs in shelters, or with people who don't know how to control them, probably should be euthanized. There are lots of non-aggressive dogs who also need homes, and trying to keep aggressive animals is pointless. I don't do adoption statistics or work at a shelter, but I doubt many of the adopters would be able to handle an aggressive dog. I know several are probably first time dog owners or parents wanting a child's pet. The odds of someone walking in and having specific aggression experience, looking for a challenge, is probably extremely slim.
    <br><br>Very true. In my time at the shelter, there has only been one person come in with the intention to rehabbing a dog. Sandy is a Labrador mix who is extremely fear aggressive. She's been at the shelter for over a year and I'm very surprised that she and some others in a similar situation haven't been euth'd yet. Sandy went home today with a very dedicated owner. I really see good things in her future. Aside from that, we do get tons of people wanting a child's pet. We never suggest a puppy for that, only adult dogs. We're in the process of completing an adoption between an 8 yr old beagle and a mom with two little kids. But.. that's getting a bit off topic. lol
  • Imo no one should be adopting a Pit Bull if they have never had a dog before. Simple as that.
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