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Shibagirl · March 2010

So you all know what PETA is, right? "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals" Well they're pretty much a group that are supposedly trying to be promoting positive treatment towards animals, saving animals, and stopping animal abuse. There's a catch though. They are deeply against dog shows. I'm not sure why, seeing as most dogs love doing this for it gives them treats, attention, and is just fun for dogs and owners in any competition dog sport. A few weeks ago PETA "terrorists" (as my friend calls them) went to a dog show in Belleville, Illinois and placed antifreeze in dog water bowls. (If you don't know antifreeze is very harmful and sometimes fatal to dogs if consumed.) People noticed the pink color in many water dishes, which is the color of antifreeze. If anyone goes to a dog show don't leave your dogs unguarded and be sure to give them only water that you supply to them. Know where it comes from. This is not the first time the PETA people have struck, I will ask the kennel club I am currently a member of what else they have done and keep them posted. I would like to get this out to people so they will know. This goes against what PETA claims they do. I do have the email from the kennel club I am a member of telling more about what was said above if anyone would like to see. This is just wrong and unbelievable, but people can be that way.

Cybergirl · March 2010

That doesnt make any sense. Why would they be against cruel treatment and then try to kill dogs? =\

Shibagirl · March 2010

Exactly, I am going to email them and see what they have to say about it.

Cybergirl · March 2010

Please tell me :]

Shibagirl · March 2010

I am doing some research and trying to find good websites. This is a paragraph I discovered on one: After more than 100 dead dogs were dumped in a trash dumpster over four weeks, police in Ahoskie, N.C., kept an eye on the trash receptacle behind a supermarket. Sure enough, a van drove up and officers watched the occupants throw in heavy plastic bags. They detained the two people in the van and found 18 dead dogs in plastic bags in the dumpster, including puppies; 13 more dead dogs were still in the van. Police say the van is registered to the headquarters of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, and the two occupants, Andrew B. Cook, 24, and Adria Joy Hinkle, 27, identified themselves as PETA employees. An autopsy performed on one of the dogs found it was healthy before it was killed. Police say PETA has been picking up the animals -- alive -- from North Carolina animal shelters, promising to find them good homes. Cook and Hinkle have been charged with 62 felony counts of animal cruelty. In response to the arrests PETA President Ingrid Newkirk said it's against the group's policy for employees to dump animals in the trash, but "that for some animals in North Carolina, there is no kinder option than euthanasia." (Roanoke-Chowan News-Herald) (If you would like the name of the website feel free to ask.)

Alabama · March 2010

Guys, most PETA threads end up moved from the public forums, so please keep this civil.

Shibagirl · March 2010

Sybhat3 wrote:

Please tell me :]

I will let you know what they say

Shibagirl · March 2010

Alabama wrote:

Guys, most PETA threads end up moved from the public forums, so please keep this civil.

Got it =]

Shibagirl · March 2010

I'm having trouble just finding their email that they have for questions people have.. They may not have one

The ASPCA site has one

Troglin · March 2010

As with any organization, you get extremists, moderates, and people who just want to be in a group. Every group has it's bad apples, just as they all have some good ones. PETA's founder has extreme views on all animal subjects. Some views are legitimate, such as the animal cruelty that goes on in research, factory farms, and circuses/zoos. Many views, such as death of all Pit Bulls, no animal ownership, and no performance sports are some of the more extreme opinions. PETA stands against the use of an animal in performance related events because it exploits the dogs for the benefit of the human. Honestly, showing isn't that big of a deal, but many still believe it's explotation. Other events they rally against would be horse racing, dog racing, and circuses. Where I can see the point about racing being dangerous, it'll never change. Circuses, on the other hand, employ wild animals and treat them extremely poorly, which is immoral and irrational, yet it's supported by anyone who buys their tickets. There are some members of PETA who kill the animals from shelters because they truly believe it's better to be dead than to be owned by anyone or die slowly in a shelter. If you take a look at many dog owners, their dogs are in miserable shape. They're often neglected, abused, mishandled, and misunderstood. That doesn't mean there aren't much better owners out there, but truthfully many people get animals without truly being capable of owning them. I don't think their logic is right, but some of them have a decent-ish heart. It's crooked, but they care about the animals so much that they're willing to kill them to end their suffering forever. There are also some people who just want to kill animals to maybe prove a point, or to satisfy their own desire to harm something. Those dog owners at the show would have been devastated if their prized dogs had died, and in some people's minds they believe that would be enough to end dog shows. As for poisoning the dog water, it might be them and it might not be. As a whole though, you can't blame an entire organization for the actions of a few members. Many people would like to play a trick and blame it on PETA, so PETA and animal rights legislation really isn't viewed as necessary. In all reality, big businesses, circuses, pet chains, etc. do not want ownership ever revoked. They don't want to stop using elephants and wild animals. They don't want protective legislation to be passed that would prevent them from doing off-shore drilling, or taking shortcuts with factory farms. Everyday citizens don't listen to PETA because of the extreme views, and businesses don't want that to change. PETA isn't the only organization for animal rights - there's certainly more, but right now PETA is the one with the best selling headlines. The more publicity they get, the more negative opinions of every other similar organization we'll get. You can call PETA all you want, and they're not going to tell you if they poisoned the water. They won't tell you if they did a million of the things they've been proven to have done. Some of the people are proud of what they did and they'll tell you outright, but as it's been proven with the dumping of carcasses, most of the extremists hide what they're doing. In no way, shape, or form do I support the actual group. I hope it doesn't come off as flaming, supportive, etc. ^^

Shibagirl · March 2010

Thank you for your input, I do believe it isn't the whole organization's fault, just some of the members that think differently. I do think that they could talk to those people about that.. Who knows, maybe they've tried already. It is kind of odd that they don't really have an email that's easy to find for people who have questions.. Maybe it's a bug with the site? I'll ask them questions

Troglin · March 2010

It's not their email address, but here's their main headquarters address. PETA Headquarters 501 Front St, Norfolk, VAâ€Ž 23510 You could mail them and see where that leads. I don't remember their email address though.

They used to have it up there, but perhaps they've gotten flamed so many times that they removed it? The only email I could find was <a href="newsmanager@peta.org" target="_blank" class="bb-url">newsmanager@peta.org</a>, so I have no clue if it's even still working or who's in charge of it. Their phone number is (757) 622-7382â€Ž in case you want it. You could just ask to speak with a main representative or the founder of PETA, and insist on holding until one's available. They have a PETA site for children/teenagers, with a forum just like this one. You'd probably get flamed rather quickly, but you could look into asking questions there. You can search up PETA2 on any search engine and you'll get there. Good luck getting the answer though.

Shibagirl · March 2010

Thank you for the information

That's still odd that they don't have it.. Even if they did get flamed a lot, I'm sure the ASPCA has had their share of mean emails, yet they still have theirs up..

Oh well they're different. I'll try to get their contact, I tried one email I'm not sure how effective it'll be, if that doesn't work I'll call them

RoyalRaccoon · March 2010

I've heard those stories as well. I've even heard stories of them killing animals that have been rescued, because they believe that the animal should not be owned/there are no people out there good enough to care for it. Whether these stories are true or not, I don't know, but I still don't agree with the known tactics of PETA such as defamation, vandalism, civil disobedience, etc. They are not above the law; harming other people and property is no way to get animal rights promoted. I've honestly come to look at PETA as being no different than the ALF. Of course you can't judge every member the same. No organization is perfect, and there will always be the "bad eggs" of the group. However, when PETA members do such extreme things all the time(which PETA doesn't seem to discourage), it's hard to support them even for the good aspects they pose(for me at least). I'd much rather support a responsible, though not perfect, organization like the WWF(<3), ASPCA, Humane Society of the United States, or The Nature Conservancy. This is just what I've come to believe. And, please be careful at your dog shows!

Kazuko · March 2010

I'm glad ALF was mentioned. I did an entire report on PETA/ALF my junior year, and I've found quite a few things that cause me to cringe away from either group. PETA and ALF want animals to have equal human rights. This means no pets, no dog shows, no seeing eye dogs for the blind, as well as no spaying and neutering. They're against animal testing, which includes testing products on animals FOR animals. PETA 'loaned' ALF $70,000 dollars, which was conveniently never paid back. ALF firebombs research buildings (destroying research AND all the animals trapped inside), the break into homes and other buildings, destroy and graffiti property, picket on people's front lawns, etc. Those are just a few facts that I've found out through research. I've never met a polite PETA supporter, but that could just be from my own personal experience, which explains why I'm against them. ._. I've been smacked by past friends and insulted by my stepmother because I don't see what's so wrong about eating animals, be they chickens (I own two), cows, or whales (though I'll admit, I've never had whale, and I don't think I will since I dislike seafood.) But many of the PETA people I've heard lectures from online seem to have a good heart, but it's just in the wrong place it seems. So just be careful with your pets and try to stay under the radar at dog shows. xD

SunnyDaysDontLie · March 2010

NewfGirl wrote:

So you all know what PETA is, right? "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals" Well they're pretty much a group that are supposedly trying to be promoting positive treatment towards animals, saving animals, and stopping animal abuse. There's a catch though. They are deeply against dog shows. I'm not sure why, seeing as most dogs love doing this for it gives them treats, attention, and is just fun for dogs and owners in any competition dog sport. A few weeks ago PETA "terrorists" (as my friend calls them) went to a dog show in Belleville, Illinois and placed antifreeze in dog water bowls. (If you don't know antifreeze is very harmful and sometimes fatal to dogs if consumed.) People noticed the pink color in many water dishes, which is the color of antifreeze. If anyone goes to a dog show don't leave your dogs unguarded and be sure to give them only water that you supply to them. Know where it comes from. This is not the first time the PETA people have struck, I will ask the kennel club I am currently a member of what else they have done and keep them posted. I would like to get this out to people so they will know. This goes against what PETA claims they do. I do have the email from the kennel club I am a member of telling more about what was said above if anyone would like to see. This is just wrong and unbelievable, but people can be that way.

You and I will make great friends. What started out as a good idea, which is stopping animal abuse, turned -into- animal abuse ._. I've been against PETA since 6th grade.

Berton · March 2010

Bleh -_- Peta's coming to our county fair this year. I'm totally put a lock on my goats pen... A rabbit got stolen last year. I'm so not taking a risk.

Shibagirl · March 2010

I got a reply from my email to them... Sadly it didn't answer any of my questions.. It just had a bunch of things telling me what they say they do.. I didn't ask them "how they rescued animals" or "do they work alone at this" (Which I don't know what they mean by that..) I asked things like "I've heard that you have inhumanely killed animals before and wanted to know if that was true".. Clearly they're either avoiding the questions or just aren't very polite.. Here are the things they emailed me that were not answers to my questions:: "PETA is on the front lines in the battle against animal homelessness. Our field workers are on duty around the clock, and our emergency pager is always on. During hurricanes, snowstorms, heat waves, and cold snaps, we are out helping cats stuck in tree tops and drainage ditches, ducklings stranded in sewer pipes, and dogs left to die at the end of a chainâ€”any animal who needs help, anytime and anywhere. Some of the animals we take in are lost companion animalsâ€”we eventually reunite them with grateful guardians, while others are taken to local agencies where they will have a chance to be adopted. But we also take responsibility for the animals nobody wantsâ€”the sick, the scarred and broken, the elderly, the aggressive and unsocialized, and the perfectly healthy ones who are thrown away like last yearâ€™s fad toy. We do everything in our power to help these animals. We treat their injuries if we can, we feed them, we love them with all our hearts, and we give them a safe place to rest, if thatâ€™s what they need. Sometimes they need the comfort of being put out of their miseryâ€”of being given eternal rest." I wish I actually got an answer

Shibagirl · March 2010

Wheaton wrote:

Bleh -_- Peta's coming to our county fair this year. I'm totally put a lock on my goats pen... A rabbit got stolen last year. I'm so not taking a risk.

That's so odd.. But I'm not surprised

Shibagirl · March 2010

SunnyDaysDontLie wrote:

' You and I will make great friends. What started out as a good idea, which is stopping animal abuse, turned -into- animal abuse ._. I've been against PETA since 6th grade.

I love friends lol

RoyalRaccoon · March 2010

NewfGirl wrote:

I got a reply from my email to them... Sadly it didn't answer any of my questions.. It just had a bunch of things telling me what they say they do.. I didn't ask them "how they rescued animals" or "do they work alone at this" (Which I don't know what they mean by that..) I asked things like "I've heard that you have inhumanely killed animals before and wanted to know if that was true".. Clearly they're either avoiding the questions or just aren't very polite.. Here are the things they emailed me that were not answers to my questions:: "PETA is on the front lines in the battle against animal homelessness. Our field workers are on duty around the clock, and our emergency pager is always on. During hurricanes, snowstorms, heat waves, and cold snaps, we are out helping cats stuck in tree tops and drainage ditches, ducklings stranded in sewer pipes, and dogs left to die at the end of a chainâ€”any animal who needs help, anytime and anywhere. Some of the animals we take in are lost companion animalsâ€”we eventually reunite them with grateful guardians, while others are taken to local agencies where they will have a chance to be adopted. But we also take responsibility for the animals nobody wantsâ€”the sick, the scarred and broken, the elderly, the aggressive and unsocialized, and the perfectly healthy ones who are thrown away like last yearâ€™s fad toy. We do everything in our power to help these animals. We treat their injuries if we can, we feed them, we love them with all our hearts, and we give them a safe place to rest, if thatâ€™s what they need. Sometimes they need the comfort of being put out of their miseryâ€”of being given eternal rest." I wish I actually got an answer

They probably have predetermined responses prepared. I was looking up something else about dog breeds, and I came across an anti-peta website(the creator of what I was looking at was against peta) that says it has facts. Whether it's true or not, I don't know, but I'll PM it to you.

ChibiWerewolf · March 2010

Do you know last year, out of thousands of dogs the saved SEVEN. Seven!! They put down thousands of dogs and they could only find homes for seven dogs! They don't have to pay taxes, it says here it saved them about 3.5 million dollars, while they get about 24 million from americans. ( <a href="http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/a/154-take-a-bite-out-of-peta"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_ ... ut-of-peta</a> ) So, basically, they recive alot of money and are doing nothing with it. Where is it going? I know I'm going to sound alittle looney, but honestly I think it's a conspericy. How could something non-milicious be going on when you try to kill your cause? They're was honestly no logic going on in their heads. The people of PEDA are brainwashed. Their classified as domestic terrorists. They are really all insaine. The ASPCA, are the ones who need the funding. They send countless pets to good homes. ...aren't PEDA the ones who toss paint on people with fur coats? Agian, PETA is a very unorginized, unethical, and stupid group. I can't stand them at all.

Berton · March 2010

NewfGirl wrote:

Wheaton wrote:

Bleh -_- Peta's coming to our county fair this year. I'm totally put a lock on my goats pen... A rabbit got stolen last year. I'm so not taking a risk.

 That's so odd.. But I'm not surprised

The rabbit got returned however. But the entire story was like 3 rabbits got let out... And 1 of the 3 wasnt found. It turned up a few days later with some random lady who found it.

RoyalRaccoon · March 2010

Chibi Werewolf wrote:

Do you know last year, out of thousands of dogs the saved SEVEN. Seven!! They put down thousands of dogs and they could only find homes for seven dogs! They don't have to pay taxes, it says here it saved them about 3.5 million dollars, while they get about 24 million from americans. ( <a href="http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/a/154-take-a-bite-out-of-peta"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_ ... ut-of-peta</a> ) So, basically, they recive alot of money and are doing nothing with it. Where is it going? I know I'm going to sound alittle looney, but honestly I think it's a conspericy. How could something non-milicious be going on when you try to kill your cause? They're was honestly no logic going on in their heads. The people of PEDA are brainwashed. Their classified as domestic terrorists. They are really all insaine. The ASPCA, are the ones who need the funding. They send countless pets to good homes. ...aren't PEDA the ones who toss paint on people with fur coats? Agian, PETA is a very unorginized, unethical, and stupid group. I can't stand them at all.

I don't believe PETA is listed as a domestic or eco terrorist organization, but the Animal Liberation Front, which the founder of PETA openly supports, is listed as an eco-terroism organization in at least the U.S. Yup, PETA puts paint on fur. If you watch the HBO documentary called "I am an Animal" you can watch the founder plan, and execute the take over of a store that sells fur coats. They put red paint and the windows and fur coats. The founder feeds off all the attention, and truly believes all of the extreme behavior is the only way to achieve animal rights. In the end it just make animal rights look like a joke to the public. Wheres the money going? In my opinion, the money is probably going to fund all of their hurtful and controversial campaigns, and celebrity spokespersons. 7 out of thousands isn't even an effort.

SunnyDaysDontLie · March 2010

PrinceSushi wrote:

Chibi Werewolf wrote:

Do you know last year, out of thousands of dogs the saved SEVEN. Seven!! They put down thousands of dogs and they could only find homes for seven dogs! They don't have to pay taxes, it says here it saved them about 3.5 million dollars, while they get about 24 million from americans. ( <a href="http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/a/154-take-a-bite-out-of-peta"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_ ... ut-of-peta</a> ) So, basically, they recive alot of money and are doing nothing with it. Where is it going? I know I'm going to sound alittle looney, but honestly I think it's a conspericy. How could something non-milicious be going on when you try to kill your cause? They're was honestly no logic going on in their heads. The people of PEDA are brainwashed. Their classified as domestic terrorists. They are really all insaine. The ASPCA, are the ones who need the funding. They send countless pets to good homes. ...aren't PEDA the ones who toss paint on people with fur coats? Agian, PETA is a very unorginized, unethical, and stupid group. I can't stand them at all.

 I don't believe PETA is listed as a domestic or eco terrorist organization, but the Animal Liberation Front, which the founder of PETA openly supports, is listed as an eco-terroism organization in at least the U.S. Yup, PETA puts paint on fur. If you watch the HBO documentary called "I am an Animal" you can watch the founder plan, and execute the take over of a store that sells fur coats. They put red paint and the windows and fur coats. The founder feeds off all the attention, and truly believes all of the extreme behavior is the only way to achieve animal rights. In the end it just make animal rights look like a joke to the public. Wheres the money going? In my opinion, the money is probably going to fund all of their hurtful and controversial campaigns, and celebrity spokespersons. 7 out of thousands isn't even an effort.

...they're an eco-terrorist organization? Roflmao. I'm sitting here giggling, it doesn't suprise me in the least. I remember, back in 6th grade when I first joined VPF [has it really been four years?], I started a discussion on PETA that got locked... Let me see if I can find it... xD

Shibagirl · March 2010

Chibi Werewolf wrote:

Do you know last year, out of thousands of dogs the saved SEVEN. Seven!! They put down thousands of dogs and they could only find homes for seven dogs! They don't have to pay taxes, it says here it saved them about 3.5 million dollars, while they get about 24 million from americans. ( <a href="http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/a/154-take-a-bite-out-of-peta"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_ ... ut-of-peta</a> ) So, basically, they recive alot of money and are doing nothing with it. Where is it going? I know I'm going to sound alittle looney, but honestly I think it's a conspericy. How could something non-milicious be going on when you try to kill your cause? They're was honestly no logic going on in their heads. The people of PEDA are brainwashed. Their classified as domestic terrorists. They are really all insaine. The ASPCA, are the ones who need the funding. They send countless pets to good homes.

That's exactly the things I heard that sparked this whole topic in the first place, I'm glad I'm not the only one who heard that.. I'm also a strong believer in the ASPCA, since I did a lot of research on Henry Bergh, one of it's founders. Also PETA won't stop sending me ad emails now

It's bugging me.

Shibagirl · March 2010

They try to get attention in unnecessary ways, like children who are trying to get what they want.. In my opinion at least..

Celia_1234321 · April 2010

i for one, dont really mind PETA all that much. i mean sure they do some stupid stuff but they are TRYING (not very well) to help. They stand up for what they THINK (not always is) right and i admire that. And just because a few memebers of PETA did something dumb and not helpful at all doesnt mean every single memeber of PETA is bad. I'm just saying d:

Erra · April 2010

I report layouts that contain links to PETA sites, even the links to the Peta for Kids site because those websites contain uncensored videos of graphic animal slaughter and torture. On the Peta for Kids site. So yeah, I have a big problem with PETA and I sincerely wish they would stop making animal rights look like the cause of the dangerously insane xD

Erra · April 2010

Chibi Werewolf wrote:

Do you know last year, out of thousands of dogs the saved SEVEN. Seven!! They put down thousands of dogs and they could only find homes for seven dogs! They don't have to pay taxes, it says here it saved them about 3.5 million dollars, while they get about 24 million from americans. ( <a href="http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/a/154-take-a-bite-out-of-peta"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_ ... ut-of-peta</a> ) So, basically, they recive alot of money and are doing nothing with it. Where is it going? I know I'm going to sound alittle looney, but honestly I think it's a conspericy. How could something non-milicious be going on when you try to kill your cause? They're was honestly no logic going on in their heads. The people of PEDA are brainwashed. Their classified as domestic terrorists. They are really all insaine. The ASPCA, are the ones who need the funding. They send countless pets to good homes. ...aren't PEDA the ones who toss paint on people with fur coats? Agian, PETA is a very unorginized, unethical, and stupid group. I can't stand them at all.

I think that's actually a very good point, Cheebs.

SummerMoon · April 2010

Okay, so I just HAVE to say something about this. First of all, I am COMPLETELY against PETA and HSUS. "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals" ... yeah right. more like.. "People for the Eventual Termination of Animals" You're right about the dog show thing...PETA is pretty much hated by all professional handlers, who pass the hate onto their clients, who then pass the hate onto friends, family.. etc. It's a longgg chain of hate. Lets just stick with that. I've been in the dog show business, basically since I was born. In the 12 years I've been avidly attending dog shows, there's been two times PETA members have gone and let dogs out of their cages. They claim that the dogs are being cruelly caged, and that they're being forced against their will to show. PUH! Why are we so against them, you may ask? Well, I'm sure you have all heard, or have been affected by all the mandatory spay/neuter bills being passed by PETA and HSUS. Let me just start by saying that dog show people are of course against the puppy mills, against the cruelty, and obviously hate seeing all those dogs in shelters. Who doesn't? Only focusing on those three aspects, you'd be all for it, right? What people don't understand, is that by taking away the right for responsible breeders to properly breed their dogs, those responsible breeders would be forced to go underground, and eventually...there would be no dogs left. Ultimately, that's their goal... as ridiculous as that may sound. Also... HSUS (Humane Society of the United States) and PETA both raise millions of dollars to "aid shelter animals". ACTUALLY, the majority of that money goes towards their own member/employee pensions. What's *left over*, is what goes to those animals. Alright, I'm going to stop there.. as much as it pains me to not bag on them any more. I will leave you with this though... My aunt, a professional dog handler of many years started an organization with NAIA (National Animal Interest Alliance) called "Bucks for Billboards" What she did was purchase 100 billboards in the Hollywood area just to advertise AGAINST PETA and HSUS. Here is the <a href="http://www.exposeanimalrights.com/index.html"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">website</a> I'm sure you'll all find it very interesting. There's lots of good information on there.

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