lol. <br>I want to barrel race one day xD<br>They even have that down there for the town team or whatever.<br>Step dad wants to get my brothers to be the clown for bulls after the riders fall off.<br>Like a rodeo team thing.<br>And i wanna join.<br>Both agree'd to let me join if i really want to try barrels ;D
:O I be learning barrels now! XD<br>Drew's teachin' me on Toby, who is his little Barrel Pony <br>He's amazing at them, minus the first barrel in the clover pattern, even though I keep turning him a tad too close on the second barrel. e.e
xD my show mare is a halter mare <br>plus she was professionally barrel trained.<br>and her mom is a pro barrel horse.<br>plus she slide stops naturally<br>is VERY VERY catty<br>has natural confirmation<br>is buff as heck<br>has pleasure horse gaits<br>and NEVER acts up
What exactly are you breeding for here? None of the horses you posted are breeding quality. The foal will be un-registrable if I'm reading correctly?<br><br>Do you know what the horse market is like right now? Do you know how many unwanted horses are out there looking for homes?<br><br>If you are dead set on having a foal you can go to a local auction and rescue one for a fraction of the cost it to take to breed and foal your mare. And a better quality one to boot. <br><br>However, judging from what you've said about the mares behavior you are not equipped to handle the training of a young horse/foal. <br><br>You'd be better off scrapping the entire foal idea and instead spending the money on some pro training for your mare.<br><br>And a saddle that fits... O_o
What exactly are you breeding for here? None of the horses you posted are breeding quality. The foal will be un-registrable if I'm reading correctly?<br><br>Do you know what the horse market is like right now? Do you know how many unwanted horses are out there looking for homes?<br><br>If you are dead set on having a foal you can go to a local auction and rescue one for a fraction of the cost it to take to breed and foal your mare. And a better quality one to boot. <br><br>However, judging from what you've said about the mares behavior you are not equipped to handle the training of a young horse/foal. <br><br>You'd be better off scrapping the entire foal idea and instead spending the money on some pro training for your mare.<br><br>And a saddle that fits... O_o
<br><br>The mare and stallion i bred with are both ex show horses. And i do know how the market is but this is the only possible way i would be able to get a horse to train because of my father and his "waste of money" ideals. <br>I attempted to buy a foal AND rescue a foal but he wouldnt take either of those ideas. *however i plan to in the future*<br>The breeder gave me this breeding as a birthday present so im not gonna complain about it. <br>Ive trained perfectly fine horses before. I didnt train or work with that mare because she isnt mine. I was going too but her owner told me not to mess with her so i havent.<br>So her faults have nothing to do with how i train. And this foal is for my pleasure only. Its not gonna be a show horse... just for the fun of riding and owning one.<br>Im already saving money to send it to a trainer when it gets older.<br><br>And about the saddle... it isnt my saddle. I wasnt looking for one that fit... i just wanted to have some pressure on her back to get her used to it again. it isnt tight at all so it isnt hurting her. and it is the old saddle that we dont ride on anymore so if she DID throw a fit i wouldnt be ruining a new saddle.<br><br>I understand your concern but i promise you i do know what im doing and i only want what is best for the foal. It will never be sold and it will be handled correctly and trained right.
We got my girl back today.<br>She was very happy to be back with her herd<br>and she ran around very happily!<br>Also after she has this foal<br>she is probably going into training<br>because the owner has agreed to let me <br>work with her finally! Whooo<br><br>OH! And weve also been doing some research on her genetics..<br>and she isnt an arabian at all! She is a *drum roll*<br>American Saddlebred =D
i LOVE ur stallys!!! <br>esp. the appy! <br>my dads friend thinks im a GREAT rider so he lets me ride his green horse and the problem horse of his friends after my lil sis fell off.
Not trying to rain.. but although they are pretty, all horses are. Just because they were show horses doesn't mean they should be bred. I could ask a billion questions like why do you think these horses should be reproducing, what does your stallion have that others don't, blah blah blah. I know a LOT of show <span style="font-style:italic">dogs</span> that have their grand championship that shouldn't, that are being kept as breeders when they shouldn't.<br><br>Also, I'm in the dark why you would want to breed a mare with that temperament. Are there certain conformations that you are working to compliment in the breeding, or are you just using that stallion because you have him there, and the breeding's free? I'm sorry but you come off as a complete BYB.
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Not trying to rain.. but although they are pretty, all horses are. Just because they were show horses doesn't mean they should be bred. I could ask a billion questions like why do you think these horses should be reproducing, what does your stallion have that others don't, blah blah blah. I know a LOT of show <span style="font-style:italic">dogs</span> that have their grand championship that shouldn't, that are being kept as breeders when they shouldn't.<br><br>Also, I'm in the dark why you would want to breed a mare with that temperament. Are there certain conformations that you are working to compliment in the breeding, or are you just using that stallion because you have him there, and the breeding's free? I'm sorry but you come off as a complete BYB.
<br><br>Im not breeding for a showhorse. Im breeding for a pet horse. A horse than will never be sold or anything like that so i really dont need reasons why "this stallion is better than any other blah blah blah" The foal is going to be simply mine and nobody elsed. Im not breeding to please anyone but myself. And the horse isnt going to be a breeding horse either. Its simply my horse. <br><br>The mares temperment is honestly not that bad. She is the herd mare that hasnt been worked with in a long time before i began working with her. She's done a complete 360 and is quite sweet now. Just not so sweet when she has to be the lead mare. She's been bred before and the foal is a PERFECT kids horse. <br><br>Im not attempting to breed for confirmation of a particular breed THOUGHT both parents have WONDERFUL confirmations. This horse is -again- merely a riding horse. U dont ride papers.. you ride the horse. There are plenty of places you can show grade horses and i plan on doing that and many other things with this foal. <br><br>The regular stallion fee for the horse is around 600$ but he belongs to a family friend and they gave me a free breeding to him for my birthday. The stallion has hotter blooded foals so im looking forward to finally having a faster horse. Most of my horses are extremely coldblooded so im looking to finally having a barrelhorse which is what i plan on using the foal for. <br><br>I know what im looking for in this foal. Im NOT looking for PERFECT conformation horse cuz i am not using it for conformation and dont plan on showing it in that. Im NOT looking for a purebred foal cuz horses DONT HAVE TO BE PUREBRED TO BARREL RACE. I just want long legs LIKE THE MOTHER produces and speed LIKE THE FATHER produces. Plus both parents are quite gentle and sweet. This foal is EXTENSIVELY planned out believe it or not. <br><br><br>I understand your concern but i promise you i DO know what im doing with this foal
Not trying to rain.. but although they are pretty, all horses are. Just because they were show horses doesn't mean they should be bred. I could ask a billion questions like why do you think these horses should be reproducing, what does your stallion have that others don't, blah blah blah. I know a LOT of show <span style="font-style:italic">dogs</span> that have their grand championship that shouldn't, that are being kept as breeders when they shouldn't.<br><br>Also, I'm in the dark why you would want to breed a mare with that temperament. Are there certain conformations that you are working to compliment in the breeding, or are you just using that stallion because you have him there, and the breeding's free? I'm sorry but you come off as a complete BYB.
<br><br>Im not breeding for a showhorse. Im breeding for a pet horse. A horse than will never be sold or anything like that so i really dont need reasons why "this stallion is better than any other blah blah blah" The foal is going to be simply mine and nobody elsed. Im not breeding to please anyone but myself. And the horse isnt going to be a breeding horse either. Its simply my horse. <br><br>The mares temperment is honestly not that bad. She is the herd mare that hasnt been worked with in a long time before i began working with her. She's done a complete 360 and is quite sweet now. Just not so sweet when she has to be the lead mare. She's been bred before and the foal is a PERFECT kids horse. <br><br>Im not attempting to breed for confirmation of a particular breed THOUGHT both parents have WONDERFUL confirmations. This horse is -again- merely a riding horse. U dont ride papers.. you ride the horse. There are plenty of places you can show grade horses and i plan on doing that and many other things with this foal. <br><br>The regular stallion fee for the horse is around 600$ but he belongs to a family friend and they gave me a free breeding to him for my birthday. The stallion has hotter blooded foals so im looking forward to finally having a faster horse. Most of my horses are extremely coldblooded so im looking to finally having a barrelhorse which is what i plan on using the foal for. <br><br>I know what im looking for in this foal. Im NOT looking for PERFECT conformation horse cuz i am not using it for conformation and dont plan on showing it in that. Im NOT looking for a purebred foal cuz horses DONT HAVE TO BE PUREBRED TO BARREL RACE. I just want long legs LIKE THE MOTHER produces and speed LIKE THE FATHER produces. Plus both parents are quite gentle and sweet. This foal is EXTENSIVELY planned out believe it or not. <br><br><br>I understand your concern but i promise you i DO know what im doing with this foal
Not trying to rain.. but although they are pretty, all horses are. Just because they were show horses doesn't mean they should be bred. I could ask a billion questions like why do you think these horses should be reproducing, what does your stallion have that others don't, blah blah blah. I know a LOT of show <span style="font-style:italic">dogs</span> that have their grand championship that shouldn't, that are being kept as breeders when they shouldn't.<br><br>Also, I'm in the dark why you would want to breed a mare with that temperament. Are there certain conformations that you are working to compliment in the breeding, or are you just using that stallion because you have him there, and the breeding's free? I'm sorry but you come off as a complete BYB.
Not trying to rain.. but although they are pretty, all horses are. Just because they were show horses doesn't mean they should be bred. I could ask a billion questions like why do you think these horses should be reproducing, what does your stallion have that others don't, blah blah blah. I know a LOT of show <span style="font-style:italic">dogs</span> that have their grand championship that shouldn't, that are being kept as breeders when they shouldn't.<br><br>Also, I'm in the dark why you would want to breed a mare with that temperament. Are there certain conformations that you are working to compliment in the breeding, or are you just using that stallion because you have him there, and the breeding's free? I'm sorry but you come off as a complete BYB.
<br><br>i agree
<br><br>ok.... as ive said before. I understand breeding operations always meaning to breed the BEST. HOWEVER this horse is not ever going to be sold or used as a breeding horse. IT IS A RIDING HORSE ONLY! You dont ride papers... you ride the horse. <br><br>The horses have already been bred so too bad for anyone who is against it.. ugh >.>
Relax Perry. You dont need to post if you cant handle peoples opinions. Good or bad. Just cuz your saddle-bred mare kicked you in the lower back doesnt mean you have to get all testy lol chill before i come kick your butt
<br><br>Im not breeding for a showhorse. Im breeding for a pet horse. A horse than will never be sold or anything like that so i really dont need reasons why "this stallion is better than any other blah blah blah" The foal is going to be simply mine and nobody elsed. Im not breeding to please anyone but myself. And the horse isnt going to be a breeding horse either. Its simply my horse.
<br><br>You should NEVER breed a poor quality animal just because you think you will keep it 'forever'. Do you have any idea how many people have bred a horse with the intention of never selling it; only to have something happen in their life that forces them to do just that? The slaughter house is full of horses that someone swore they would 'keep forever'. You should <span style="font-weight:bold">always</span> breed responsibly. It shouldn't matter what the horse's intended purpose is. <br><br>
<br>Im not attempting to breed for confirmation of a particular breed THOUGHT both parents have WONDERFUL confirmations. This horse is -again- merely a riding horse. U dont ride papers.. you ride the horse. There are plenty of places you can show grade horses and i plan on doing that and many other things with this foal.
<br><br>It is spelled 'conformation' and it is always the main consideration in breeding. No matter what you plan to do with the foal, conformation is key. Conformation dictates so many things. It is not just about 'looking pretty'. A horse with sound, functional, conformation will stay useful and healthy years longer than one with faulty conformation. A well conformed horse will be easier to ride and train. Because, it won't be having to fight against it's own body in order to do as you ask. <br><br>What aspects of the sire and dams conformation do you find wonderful? What specifically do you think will make them a good cross? Or did you chose to breed these horses simply because the mare is yours and the stallion has a cheap stud fee? <br><br>These horses are very mediocre examples of their breeds (if you are interested in learning, I will try to explain to you exactly what aspects of their conformation is undesirable and why.). Not only that, but they are <span style="font-style:italic">totally different breeds </span>. They were bred to perform in vastly different disciplines. <br><br>When cross breeding two different breeds (which can be done well. Though it rarely is.). You need to start out with truly exceptional horses. Not only that, but their conformation must compliment one another. It helps to start out with two breeds that have been bred for a similar purpose and have a similar type. How many Saddlebred/QH crosses have you seen? Not many? There is a reason for that... <br><br><br>
The stallion has hotter blooded foals so im looking forward to finally having a faster horse. Most of my horses are extremely coldblooded so im looking to finally having a barrelhorse which is what i plan on using the foal for.
<br><br>I'm not sure what you driving at with the 'hot blood' v.s 'cold-blood' notion. You do realize 'hot-blood' refers to certain breeds of horse? Such as arabs, TBs, ect. And 'cold blood' refers to drafty-er animals?<br><br>Moving on- Do you realize that different breeds excel at different disciplines for a reason? The reason being they are usually bred specifically for said discipline? Meaning, their <span style="font-style:italic">conformation</span> is exactly what is needed to exceed in said discipline?<br><br>Saddlebreds are pleasure horses, they show in <span style="font-style:italic">saddleseat</span>, I believe they are gaited (though I know some will argue that.). They are not bred for speed events. They do not barrel race (at least not particularly well.). They do not have the 'turn and burn' of a well-bred, well-trained, stock horse. Saddlebreds are lovely horses, but if barrel racing is your goal, you won't get far with this cross. A Saddlebred (or a half Saddlebred.) is simply not conformed in a way that lends itself to this type of discipline.<br><br>In fact, I have absolutely no idea what an ASB X QH <span style="font-style:italic">would</span> excel in. Other than bombing around in the back yard on the weekends.<br><br>No one is 'being mean' or 'picking on you'. I'm just presenting you with the facts. I'm hoping you have the horses best interest in mind and are willing to educate yourself. However, judging by your last couple posts, I'm not so sure you are.<br><br><br>
There is no reason for everyone to be so upset. Its her horse, i trust she knows what she is doing. Even if she doesnt, that is frankly none of our buisness. So everyone can just stop attacking. d:
Celia, I see your concern <span style="font-weight:bold">- and no, Robin, I promise I'm not purposefully going against you here -</span> but Celia, Robin (Vampy) does need these guys advice. I dont think anyone is really "<span style="font-style:italic">attacking</span>" her about it. Sure, a few things could have been said differently, but it is all facts that she needs to know..<br><br>Jack is right Robin, conformation is important in any horse. No matter what you are using it for. I know QH's are bred for certain things.. Crossing a saddle-bred and a QH may not be that great of an idea..<br><br>Last thing Im gonna say in this post. To both Robin and the people replying to her, the horses have already been bred, no matter what you all say, the foal <span style="font-weight:bold">WILL</span> be born. What happens after that, no one knows yet. We have to wait and see after it's born. It could be a great horse. No one knows for sure.<br><br><br>Also:<br><br>
These horses are very mediocre examples of their breeds (if you are interested in learning, I will try to explain to you exactly what aspects of their conformation is undesirable and why.)
<br><br>I'm curious. What did you mean by this? Like, what's so "mediocre" about those horses? 0.0 They look fine to me (I'm not as educated as you are xD) I'm having my grandmothers breeders check my horses over before I have them bred because I know for sure that I don't know what I'd be doing.
Celia, I see your concern <span style="font-weight:bold">- and no, Robin, I promise I'm not purposefully going against you here -</span> but Celia, Robin (Vampy) does need these guys advice. I dont think anyone is really "<span style="font-style:italic">attacking</span>" her about it. Sure, a few things could have been said differently, but it is all facts that she needs to know..<br><br>Jack is right Robin, conformation is important in any horse. No matter what you are using it for. I know QH's are bred for certain things.. Crossing a saddle-bred and a QH may not be that great of an idea..<br><br>Last thing Im gonna say in this post. To both Robin and the people replying to her, the horses have already been bred, no matter what you all say, the foal <span style="font-weight:bold">WILL</span> be born. What happens after that, no one knows yet. We have to wait and see after it's born. It could be a great horse. No one knows for sure.
<br><br>Garn says everything so nice so nobody feels attacked. i agree thing should have been said differently
These horses are very mediocre examples of their breeds (if you are interested in learning, I will try to explain to you exactly what aspects of their conformation is undesirable and why.)
<br><br>I'm curious. What did you mean by this? Like, what's so "mediocre" about those horses? 0.0 They look fine to me (I'm not as educated as you are xD) I'm having my grandmothers breeders check my horses over before I have them bred because I know for sure that I don't know what I'd be doing.
<br><br>There isn't a decent confo pic of the stud. However, I'll give you a brief run down of the mare's most obvious conformational flaws.<br><br>Here is an example of a breeding quality, pinto, ASB. You will note, this horse bares absolutely no resemblance to the OP's mare. <a href="http://www.summertimefarm.com/winter-halter.jpg"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.summertimefarm.com/winter-halter.jpg</a><br><br>The defining feature of the ASB is it's long, graceful, arched neck. The horse that I posted has a lovely, shapely neck. It ties into his chest well. He also has a nice, clean throat-latch. <br><br>The OP's mare, on the other hand, has a neck that is barely longer than her head. It has no shape, no definition. It appears to be slightly ewed. It culminates into a coarse head with a small eye. Her neck ties in very low. There is no definition between where her neck stops and her chest begins.<br><br>The horse that I posted has a nice shoulder. It is sloping and well-laid back. This would make him a smooth, enjoyable ride. <br><br>The OP's filly has a slightly upright shoulder. This may make her movement 'choppy' and harder to sit. Here is a wonderful article explaining shoulder angle and slope. <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/applesonhorses/confo-not-home/shoulder-slopes-and-angles"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://sites.google.com/site/applesonho ... and-angles</a><br><br>I can't see the OP's filly's back. However, judging from her over-all lack of muscle definition, I would assume that her back muscles have not been developed correctly and that she does not have the smoothest top-line.<br><br>The horse that I posted has nice, straight front legs. He has a long, well-muscled forearm and short cannons with plenty of bone. He is standing in the classic 'parked out' Saddlebred pose. However, you can see if he were squared up, that his front legs would be straight.<br><br>The OP's mare's hind legs are 'camped out' or 'sickle hocked' (meaning they are too long proportionately.). Her legs also rotate out, front and back. She is splay footed in front and cow-hocked behind (This may, in part, be due to the fact that she is badly in need of a trim. ). Crooked legs put undue stress on joints and tendons (as does improper or non-existent farrier work.). A horse with crooked legs is much more likely to suffer from some sort of un-soundness. See- <a href="http://www.ag.auburn.edu/~schmisp/ansc1000/horse-front-leg.jpg"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.ag.auburn.edu/~schmisp/ansc1 ... nt-leg.jpg</a><br><a href="http://www.ag.auburn.edu/~schmisp/ansc1000/horse-rear-leg.jpg"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.ag.auburn.edu/~schmisp/ansc1 ... ar-leg.jpg</a><br><br>The OP's mare has a very, very short hip. She will not have the drive from behind, the fast start, or the impulsion of a horse that has a nice long hip.<br><br>While I'd like to see a longer hip on the horse that I posted (stock horse person. XD); it is still much stronger proportionately than the mare's.<br><br>The Op's horse has absolutely no gaskin to speak of. Not only is her second thigh short, but it lacks any semblance of muscle tone.<br><br>......<br><br>A horse should be proportionate. It should be able to fit 'in a box'. It's shoulder, barrel and hip should be relatively the same length. <a href="http://www.freewebs.com/mmm202/Illus2A.jpg"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.freewebs.com/mmm202/Illus2A.jpg</a><br><br>......<br><br>Overall, the OP's mare is quite far from the breed standard and a less than stellar example of her breed. Ergo, not breeding quality.<br><br>.....<br><br>If you are still interested in learning more, I can give you some links to websites that would do a better job explaining the basics of conformation than I ever could.
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Temporary Training -- Breeding -- Showing -- Gifty Holding -- Decoy Line
Temporary Training -- Breeding -- Showing -- Gifty Holding -- Decoy Line
Temporary Training -- Breeding -- Showing -- Gifty Holding -- Decoy Line