Thinking of RL breeding?

reina__ · August 2009

Don't. Don't unless it is your ABSOLUTE PASSION like you would give up EVERYTHING you have to have your own breeding program. Why Not? 1. Your dog will be a much less happy animal (both males and females in this instance) if it is kept for breeding. 2. Your female can die during whelping. You will lose both your beloved girl and her entire litter. Imagine how good that will feel! 3. Both male and female dogs will be much more aggressive and sharp in temperament if not neutered and kept for breeding. 4. Chance of obtaining testicular/ovarian/uterine cancer triples if left intact before the age of 5 (average). 5. If you are not aware of every single dog in your female (and male)'s pedigree, you could be breeding very ill dogs. Even if the entire pedigree of BOTH dogs are champions, that means absolutely nothing. Even if ONE dog in the entirety of both pedigrees had epilepsy, your entire litter could have epilepsy. Nothing is set in stone when breeding. 6. Regarding money, if you breed a litter of puppies right, you will end up LOSING money, not making any profit. You should be going in debt at least $1000. And that's just a bit of it. If dog breeding was actually taken seriously, I doubt anyone but the best would be doing it. I don't think people realize how SERIOUS dog breeding is. It is NOT putting 2 dogs together and waiting for a few months, and a couple after that, and making hundreds of dollars off of it. That is not dog breeding. That is forcing nature to take over. If you are not willing to spend thousands of dollars $1000-$20000 in health testings, you should not breed. Health testings such as: 1. Systolic ejection. 2. Cardiomyopathy. 3. Atrial fibrillation. 4. Hip dysplasia. 5. Ectropion/entropion. 6. Brucella. 7. Demodectic mange. 8. Elbow dysplasia. 9. Vaginal/uterine infections. 10. Sperm count. 11. Hypo/hyperthyroidism. ...so so many more. If you are not willing to pull a slopping wet, bloody puppy out of her birth canal from inside of her, which ends up not being a puppy at all but half puppy, half water, with cleft palate and translucent skin so you can see all the organs clear as day... don't breed. This happens more than you realize. If you are not willing to 'collect' a dog and artificially in***inate your female, if you're not willing to research the EXACT critical point when her estrogen/progesterone is at the perfect level for her to be fertilized, if you're not willing to handle these fluids, don't breed. If you are, then good-o! If you are not willing to cull a puppy because it has no anal orifice, don't breed. -Take a trip to your local ASPCA and see if you still want to breed. Ask yourself these questions. 1. Why do I want to breed? 2. What is my MAIN goal in breeding? 3. Do I have at least $5k cash (per breeding) somewhere in case of emergency C-section/premature labor? 4. Do I have the finances and space at my home to care for EACH dog I produce? (Up to ~25 if you're breeding twice a year.) 5. Am I willing to phone each puppy buyer at least once a month to see how the puppy is doing? 6. Am I willing to lose many nights of sleep to puppies crying? 7. Am I willing to spend thousands upon thousands to go to the stud dog owner's house, even if he lives overseas? 8. Can I answer each question on this list? <a href="http://www.learntobreed.com/questions.html"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.learntobreed.com/questions.html</a> Are you going to show? Why or why not? Are you going to work this dog? Why or why not? Large-giant breeds: Are you willing to wait 3 years until this dog is fully developed and ready to sire/throw a litter? What if s/he doesn't have good hips/eyes/elbows/temperament? Are you going to breed anyway because s/he is "pretty?" If your male/female has OFA Fair hips, will you breed it? Or is it too much of a chance? Why or why not? Small-Medium breeds: Are you willing to wait 2 years until this dog is fully developed and ready to sire/throw a litter? Why should your particular dogs breed? What do they have to give to the reputation of the breed? *Sweet and affectionate is not enough. There are MUTTS that are sweet and affectionate. JUST BECAUSE A DOG IS PUREBRED, DOES NOT MEAN HE SHOULD REPRODUCE! I had a person tell me that if you just focus on the bad things that's what will hold you back. Hope for the best and don't let the risks stop you. I wanted to scream several curse words, and I don't even use them! Thinking of the risks is something you MUST do with everything. Could you imagine if you wanted to have a child, and you ignored all the advice about what not to eat during your pregnancy such as high sugar food, nitrates, alcohol, because "I won't let the risks stop me?" !!!!!!! That's just common sense. Breeding CORRECTLY is a very risky job indeed. Yes, ANYBODY could put a couple dogs together, but not EVERYBODY can produce a stable-temperamented, excellent hip ratio, unmatched protection ability guard dog who can sit alone with 10 children jumping on him, showing not ONE ounce of aggression or dominance, but would throw himself on a blade saving each of those child's lives without any question about it. If that isn't the type of dog you are willing to dedicate your LIFE to better, don't even think about breeding. Simple as that. Vent over.

reina__ · August 2009

If you are not willing to cull a puppy because it has no *edited* orifice, don't breed.

(it can't poop)

3Eagles · August 2009

I definitely agree with you Reina. My dad used to breed Brittany spaniels. He never breed dogs to just breed them. He had a few really good hunting dogs that he showed in hunting trials and such events. My entire family is dog lovers and we have many different breeds that have become part of the 'family'. Granted there are a few family members that I don't think have any right to breed dogs but thats me. If you don't know completely what your doing than don't breed. It just ends up being cruel in some ways.

reina__ · August 2009

That's cool. See... I love it when people preserve the working instinct in dogs, rather than just show, nevermind don't show or work at all. I get really overly passionate when people tell me they want to breed... I've been researching since I was 10 years old because I originally wanted to breed Rotties... but even 9 years later, I still might not do it. It's kind of a scary thing.

iluvdogs111 · August 2009

My friend's family just started breeding. I have nothing against her and her family, but they should've done more research. Everything went fine, and they've sold all of their pups, but still, they really aren't expirienced, and I think they just did it because they wanted to make money. They aren't even dog lovers. I mean they like them, but they don't love them. (or at least the parents don't.) I agree with you though, don't breed if you aren't willing to all that stuff and don't actually love breeding. :roll:

iluvdogs111 · August 2009

I think they were really lucky that everything went smoothly with the delivery and the pups and the mom, butI hope they realize it's not gonna be like that everytime.

Hibachi · August 2009

Wow. This is very well put together Reina. Just like you I have always wanted to get into dog breeding. It is a very sensative subject, and it annoys me when people ask other people online what type of dog they should breed. -no offense to anyone- But, if you where actually serious about it then you wouldn't be asking anyone online who most likely knows nothing about dog breeding. I know a few breeders. -where we get our pups from- And even after looking over thier pedigree, with good bloodlines, they STILL had defects, one of our poodles developed catracs at an early age. And our newest pup had so many problems when we first got him, too many to list. I got about 3 hours of sleep a week taking care of him, but in the end it was worth seeing that annoying little thing run around and finally enjoy life.

Thanks for posting this, Reina.

reina__ · August 2009

I'm not here to judge anybody, but yes, I agree with you. It's kind of strange when you see people post asking which dog they should breed. The beginning of wanting to breed should START with a passion for a certain breed. That is WHY you breed. If you decide to breed and not take it up yourself to do the necessary research, fine. No one is going to be able to stop you. Just know that it is your fault when your female dies. It is your fault when something goes wrong. It is no one else's fault but your own. At LEAST test for Brucellosis. It's a doggy STD that can be passed dog-to-dog through..... mating..... and the female can spontaneously abort her litter even if it's a few days before the end of her term. If the litter isn't aborted, they will probably die a few days after birth. Happy happy times, breeding.

Hibachi · August 2009

Agreed! I do give advice to those who have asked about dog breeding. But, I don't think people realize how complicated it can be, it's not all fun and games and animals aren't objects, you are bringing another life into this world, and you could possibly be killing several in the process. And you are right, everyone should take the time to research before doing. I really wanted to breed Harlequin Danes, but after studying on them for some time now, I decided to go with Blue Danes, because Harlequins are more prone to deafness and eye defects. Plus they can also produce Merles, which aren't considered a "standard" color and are not recognized by the AKC and can't be shown in the ring and also their pups are prone to more health issues and I have been told and even did research that Merles should never be bred. I have only been studying for a few years, and even within a few years you still don't know everything about breeding. And I don't plan on getting my first pups until the end of the year, plus there's another 3+ years until they can breed and not counting the years if you want your dog in the show ring.

ilyanthony1995 · August 2009

reina__ wrote:

 I'm not here to judge anybody, but yes, I agree with you. It's kind of strange when you see people post asking which dog they should breed. The beginning of wanting to breed should START with a passion for a certain breed. That is WHY you breed. quote] hmm... i usually narrow down my top 4 and ask people what dog i should breed..only beacuse i love them all... & i would like to know every ones opionon... when you breed..you really dont make any money at all... that is..if you have done everything right to care for them...shots, vet checks..food..grooming..tests...ect. you basically lose money..but it dosent matter if you would like to improve the breed...for instance..im becoming a breeder..yes it is something i want to do i have a huge passion with genitics and i would like to improve American eskimos temperment and health problems... i have researched since i was 11 years old..i still have about 3 years left to reseach... i know that i wont be able to learn everything...but i will know most things about breeding and the breed. i have seen about 7 people say they want to be breeders when they get older..how many people will stick to it..probably only 1-3 people..if that... i do not agree when you say the animal will be less happier...if you care and love the dog to the full potienal and keep them as inside house dogs.. or members of the family i elive they will be the happiest of dogs..just beacuse i dog breeds..dosent mean it gets unhappy i belive you should actually have more than a extra 5k sitting around..many of "what ifs" could happen therefore yous hould have at LEAST 10k sitting in your bank or somewhere you could easly get to it... I was the person that said "that if you just focus on the bad things that's what will hold you back Hope for the best and don't let the risks stop you." BUT i never said thoose words..i said..you CANT go through life saying "what If" EVERY single minnute of your life.. if you breed well, and are a responsialbe breeder that knows just about everything... i belive you would NOT have to worry about most of the problems BYBs have to deal with... im not trying to be rude..and im not yelling or trying to start an arugement.. if i sound like it..im sorry..im just tired..

Hibachi · August 2009

Illa, I don't think she meant it will be unhappy in general, of course it will be happy! But, I'm sure it will have it's moments, she listed reasons why it would be unhappy, such as an intact dog is prone to be more aggressive, and usually they aren't as happy or healthy when they are not neatured. When a dog is neatured it is more laid back and they tend to live longer. Not all dogs can be kept as inside dogs, some need to get out and play in the backyard and they need plenty of exercise. I think Reina has taken the right steps into learning about breeding, I'm sure she's studied more than both of us put together. And she's only being reasponsible. Like I said before it's another life you are bringing into the world, and with all the backyard breeders around nowadays, the world is just to overpopulated with homeless creatures to be careless.

Jellybeanjoe · August 2009

A very well written post

There's one thing I think all breeders should also consider if they breed: * Am I willing to take back dogs I've bred and a) care for them untill a suitable home is found b) care for the dogs until the end of their days if they are unsuitable to go to a pet home c) euthanaise them if none of the options above work, or they are in too much pain for the above options to work. I work for a friend who breeds Basenjis. She has done for years now. Her puppies are thoroughly tested, she can trace her lines back many generations, and she breeds to better the breed. Her pups tend to be separated into two groups when it comes time to sell them. One group is those who are suitable for breeding and showing. That is all the tests came back good, conformation was great and they are all round very healthy. The second group is those who are suitable for pet homes. This group normally contains very healthy puppies, but their conformation wasn't the best, tests normally are clear with no problems. So they're not perfect for breeding, but for a pet they are

She also took in two dogs that she bred, years ago, earlier this year . . . their owner had died accidently (sad story, but not overly Forum appropriate). The dogs had been left in the appartment with their dead owner (he lived alone) for 10 days before the body was discovered. The dogs were in a horrible condition (having not eaten for 10 days). My boss took them back, nursed them back to health. She did consider finding new homes for them, but as both have back problems (not painful at the moment, but for one of them at least, one wrong move and he could be paralysed) she decided to keep them. They're both gorgeous dogs

I'll admit, I've considered breeding cats and dogs . . . but the experiences up at the kennels I've had have turned me off it. Yes puppies are cute. But there's so many things that could go wrong. For instance (I am actually rambling here . . . ah well xD) this year my boss decided to breed two of the girls, Lara and Maggie. Lara ended up being spayed shortly after mating after an infection in the uterous. She was a top show dog, and this would have been her first litter. But I'm kinda happy she was spayed and found a new home

Maggie was successfully mated. I ended up having to help that day, cause she was having some problem giving birth (her first litter too), and we ended up having to break the speed limit to get to the vets. Luckily, no surgery was needed, as it seemed the car trip was enough to get her to pop the first pup out with little problems. She ended up having 4 pups in total. After Lara was spayed, my boss decided to mate one of the other girls, Skylark. This ended having to be done artificially, despite that we had the stud dog at the kennels. She ended up getting ultrasound later to see if she was carrying pups - and indeed she was. Two! I as also called up to the kennels again to help as she was also having trouble whelping. Another speed breaking trip to the vets and we discovered that not only did she have two huge puppies, the first one was in the wrong position and would not be able to come out naturally. Poor Sky had a caesarean, and my boss and one of the vet nurses spent close to an hour reviving the pups. One of Maggie's pup's have gone to a pet home. My boss is keeping two of them, and one (at this point, testing is not quite finished yet) will be jetsetting off to Sweden. Out of Skylark's two pups, one is being kept. The other seem to have inherited all the bad traits for the parents (conformation wise that is, he has an absolutely GORGEOUS temperment

) and has already gone to a pet home

Ok, enough rambling from me . .. almost xD One thing that drives me bonkers about entire dogs . . . mating season. When all the guys have only one thing on their mind . . . and are intent on causing chaos until they get it, or till mating season is over . . . -shudder- I hate mating season. Thank goodness it only comes once a year with Basenjis

Hibachi · August 2009

Forgot to add this. XD But, I've been around a lot of backyard breeding, and I've seen up close experiences. My uncle use to breed his dogs all the time just to make a quick buck, he brought over a lab/pit/whatever mix to our house when I was five and my parents decided to keep it. It was possibly the BEST dog for our family, she was loyal, energetic, she adapted well to any environment, etc. etc. but she was possibly the most aggressive dog towards other animals, and she ended up being taken to the pound along with her pups because she attacked another dog. She had gotten off her lead and ran off and came home with a belly full of surprises. So, even my parents made the mistake of letting a mutt be kept intact. I do wish you the best of luck, but it's something to really think about. To be honest, if my boyfriend wasn't going to school to be a vet, I don't think I would get into breeding because I know how expensive vet bills can get. -as we have experienced with our newest pup- and I don't think I would be able to afford it, but now that I know he is going through with this I am 10000000000000000000000% sure I want to do this. I will have a vet right at home with me.

-and yes, I know there are other expenses besides vet bills- And right now I am saving up to purchase my pups by the time December gets here, which can be anywhere from $1,000-2,000 per pup. And have you worked with any breeders? That is a MUST, you need to experience first hand what it is like breeding. I know Dobie, GSD, Poodle, Mini dachshund, and Boxer breeders and they also show their dogs. So I get to experience first hand what it is like in all areas.

reina__ · August 2009

i do not agree when you say the animal will be less happier...if you care and love the dog to the full potienal and keep them as inside house dogs.. or members of the family i elive they will be the happiest of dogs..just beacuse i dog breeds..dosent mean it gets unhappy

Happiness in a dog is not the same as happiness in a human. Female dogs don't "long" to have a litter, they just put up with it, deliver and raise the pups through their motherly instinct, which is naturally ingrained in them, even though it hurts like hell. Fact over opinion right now. A female that is bred ONCE in her life will have her life cut short compared to if she was never bred at all. Mating, carrying the pups to term (especially if it's one of those breeds that have 5+ pups per litter), delivery, and the 8+ weeks thereafter feeding, training, discipline, is not an easy task. It is the most stressful thing she will have to go through in her life. Now, some breeders prefer doing back-to-back breedings (bred three times in a row) so that she can be spayed at an early age. I'm not condoning nor bashing back-to-back pregnancies, but you really gotta ask yourself do you LOVE your dog? Then why the hell are you putting her through this unless ....(see OP).

I was the person that said "that if you just focus on the bad things that's what will hold you back Hope for the best and don't let the risks stop you." BUT i never said thoose words..i said..you CANT go through life saying "what If" EVERY single minnute of your life.. if you breed well, and are a responsialbe breeder that knows just about everything... i belive you would NOT have to worry about most of the problems BYBs have to deal with...

Not those exact words, but something along those lines. Again, fact over opinion right now. I am not saying "what if" every minute of my life, I'm saying "what if" before performing the action between two lives, creating the epitome of conception, life, and everything about it. I'm saying "what if" as I think about the hundreds of generations to come AFTER I breed my female this one time. Will it be hundreds of puppies with hip dysplasia? Hundreds of tears of the owners having to put down their 3 year old dog because its hip sockets come undone? Hundreds of hours of researching gone down the drain because I made one mistake and ruined my reputation in the dog breeding world forever because I didn't take it upon myself to research the difference between FACT and OPINION? No it will not, because I think beforehand before I create more lives, which are in my full responsibility.

And have you worked with any breeders? That is a MUST, you need to experience first hand what it is like breeding.

Yes, good idea! A mentor in the same breed is always an excellent idea, whether you buy from them or not is not the point. When I get my first Cane Corso, who will probably be a work/show quality female or a work/pet quality male, I'm going to ask Zoe (the breeder's name) to be my mentor. The reason: I love all of her dogs and she consistently produces healthy, good-looking, and very drivey Corso.

when you breed..you really dont make any money at all... that is..if you have done everything right to care for them...shots, vet checks..food..grooming..tests...ect. you basically lose money..

6. Regarding money, if you breed a litter of puppies right, you will end up LOSING money, not making any profit. You should be going in debt at least $1000.

Thanks for confirming my number six.

ShesTheManROX · August 2009

This is very well put together yes. But I must say, it's kind of harsh saying that, it's almost like saying humans shouldn't reproduce, for example; if their granddad died before they were born and they didn't know if he had a hereditary disease. The baby the people have could have it and therefor shouldn't ever reproduce. It's just a bit harsh is all. **Not wanting to start a fight or accuse just stating another way this post could be taken.

â™¥Andreaâ™¥ · August 2009

eksimahd_01 wrote:

This is very well put together yes. But I must say, it's kind of harsh saying that, it's almost like saying humans shouldn't reproduce, for example; if their granddad died before they were born and they didn't know if he had a hereditary disease. The baby the people have could have it and therefor shouldn't ever reproduce. It's just a bit harsh is all. **Not wanting to start a fight or accuse just stating another way this post could be taken.

Yes, but in human reproduction you know that no matter what you do there is a chance for your baby to be born with birth defects. You are willing to take that risk on yourself. With puppies, if you aren't imagining keeping the puppies their whole life, so you might not be thinking about the risks because you'll just sell it anyway. They're two totally different subjects and really not comparable xD Just saying

But I agree, reina, breeding is not to be taken lightly and everything you have mentioned here is true and hasn't been exaggerated for the purposes of scaring people out of breeding. My mother used to breed poodles and a couple other breeds. She still has issues with dealing with pregnant dogs because she knows all the risks and doesn't want to become emotionally attached.

She stopped breeding because we went so far into debt. We bred great quality dogs, but she wanted to provide such good care for them that it totally diminished her wallet. Thank you so much for taking the time to post this. It's a great reality check. ;D

Tattoo · August 2009

Thank you! Its crazy to see all of these people on here being like "I want to be a dog breeder! What breed should i pick?" No. You don't want to be a breeder of say, GDs, Dachshunds, etc. You just want to have cute little puppies all the time. Being a breeder isn't a hobby. Its a way of life.

Hibachi · August 2009

eksimahd_01 wrote:

This is very well put together yes. But I must say, it's kind of harsh saying that, it's almost like saying humans shouldn't reproduce, for example; if their granddad died before they were born and they didn't know if he had a hereditary disease. The baby the people have could have it and therefor shouldn't ever reproduce. It's just a bit harsh is all. **Not wanting to start a fight or accuse just stating another way this post could be taken.

Humans are different than animals, we have learned to adpat to our disabilities.

Tattoo wrote:

Thank you! Its crazy to see all of these people on here being like "I want to be a dog breeder! What breed should i pick?" No. You don't want to be a breeder of say, GDs, Dachshunds, etc. You just want to have cute little puppies all the time. Being a breeder isn't a hobby. Its a way of life.

If you are refering "GD's" as in great danes, yes I do want to breed them, and never had I asked anyone on here what dog I should breed, I have always thought about dog breeding starting at the age of 10 & 11, I was in love with greyhounds and wanted to get into breeding them and have a rescue for the retired racers. And no, I do not want to have "little puppies all the time" I am in love with Great Danes, I have a major passion for them and I know the risk of breeding and all the steps that are needed to be taken before a breeding occurs. I know what it's like when your dog is going through the delivery process. I know what it's like birthing a still born pup. I've seen these things. Now wheather you where pointing this out on me, I don't know. But, it gets under my skin just like eveyone else's. -not arguing, just stating a fact- ;3

reina__ · August 2009

I'm not sure if s/he was pointing fingers at you specifically; Great Danes have gotten extremely popular in the last 10 years. Almost everyone knows what they are now. Even if s/he was, it's not like you have to prove anything to anyone on the Internet. Words are cheap, it's action that will make a difference. I hate it when people compare humans to animals. In my humble opinion, animals aren't lesser or more than humans, just different. If the dogs were breeding in nature, there would be way way less health problems than domesticated dogs. Most of the health problems now have been created by conformational "Standards" and inbreeding. The thing is, in the wild, there are no conformational standards, and there is very little inbreeding or COI. Again, in humans, inbreeding is considered taboo. Could you imagine if everyone you knew was related to one person only a few generations back? Everyone would be sick and dying. Now this is a whole other subject, but you understand what I mean. Comparing humans to animals is irrelevant.

Tattoo · August 2009

Uh. Not to sound rude but I really wasn't talking about you okay? I was just using common examples.

Berton · August 2009

They are doing breeder busts in WI at the moment whipee >.< Someone may come pounding on my door, to see the condition of our dogs. To proof we arent a puppy mill. Just something you'll have to be ready for..

Marseilles · August 2009

I breed Boxer poopies

I havn't found it that hard money wise though Boxers are prone to having hip, heart and womb problems. Though that is all down to irresponsible breeding, such as inbreeding etc,.. Believe it or not I have never had a nasty female (whom has not been spayed) I don't know whether it is luck but they have all been lovely lol It may just be the breed though when I kept and bred ACS they were all nice natured also. I totally agree with the other points you have made. If I may add another one or two? Please, never breed unless you are sure you will have interest in the puppies! I see soo many puppies being put down due to the breeder not being able to find homes. Even if the pedigree is perfect in everyway it still happens and sadly it happens far too often

CORY · August 2009

I guess you can say my family breeds boxers. But know we have to wait two or 3 years for the puppy we have. Mom doesnt want to breed her till she is atleast two. And well the dog we have know the first litter was amazing. The second litter err was the worst ever litter ever. she had 12 pups. 4 still born. And l was helping my moma. Cause are dad went to get some formula just in case we have one that couldnt get to the mom dog. And luckly for us this time there wasnt any that died after birth. I have a feeling that next time it will be harder. But thats what comes with breeding. And we had people asking if we would breed her again. More like begging us to when she came into heat again. We had no problem selling the pups. There was SO many people looking for boxers. And they were fourweeks when they all had people wanting them. Granted one person is in Maryland. And thats four hours away. But we know they are going into good homes. Cause they either had a boxer at one point. Or they still have there boxer and it was old. Or they just needed one to keep there other boxer company. Money is hard when you have puppies. Trust me. Really hard. Nice post Reina

reina__ · August 2009

Thank you.. that's sad about the second litter.

Marseille, true! I was just talking with this lady, Leilani, who bred 2 litters between 2001 and 2006 about how to "advertise" for litters without coming across as a BYB. What she said........

Networking is key, which you have been doing for some time now, so I don't think you'd have problems by the time you're ready to breed. It's always easier for people to trust someone they've been chatting with or "know" online than it is for a stranger to pop up out of the blue with a litter of pups they're trying to sell and no one has heard of them before.

I personally, don't know about you, would wait until I had at least 5 confirmed people on my waiting list (confirmed means send in a non-retractable deposit) BEFORE I even BREED. That means 1 female show quality, 1 female pet quality, 1 female work quality, 1 male show quality, 1 male pet quality, and/or 1 male work quality. Of course there could be MORE or LESS puppies in the litter with different quality types.

CORY · August 2009

Oh and so far the pups we bred from what the owners said they were good. But one big male. He cant breed. He doesn't have 2 of something. But they didn't want to breed. They wanted him as a pet. My dad says that the mo dog sold the puppies cause of her temperament. But always keep a close eye on the female dog. Cause mine on the last litter (her last cause we dont want to put her thru it again

) She refused to eat sometimes. Gums went almost pure white. We took her to the vets. And that costed bunches.Cause they gave her all this stuff :P Well thats enoungh from me. I want to breed when im older after college. (i wanna be a vet) And thats like years and years away. So plenty of research time for me. Cause im only going into 8th grade :P

Berton · August 2009

We have a waiting list of like 50 people right now xD. We plan on breeding Erin,Annie, and Faith next time they are in heat. And about putting down pups cause they dont have homes, what kind of breeder is that? Weve kept puppies for 2 years because they didnt have a home until we finally found one for them. As far as I can remember we have put down 2 puppies one cause she had a cleft palette, and another was 6 months old and had gone through 3 owners, we took him to the vet a routine visit. and the vet said she thought he had mental problems, it was decided then and there it would be impossible to find an owner for him, and we didnt have the room for him.

Hibachi · August 2009

I don't think anyone should be get into breeding if they don't have room. Like Wheaty said, what kind of a breeder is that.

CORY · August 2009

Are neightbors have a dog with a clef pallet. She almost died. But they were up with like zero for a week straight. Plus my mom helped cause they needed to grt back to work :roll: If they didnt have the time to breed and trake care up pups they shouldnt breed. (in my mind) And that dog also has some mental problems. and they used to have 8 dogs. And where we live 4 is the max. And if you get permission 5 is ok. But then they got introuble and got rid of some and know they have 7 again -.- But back to the clef palette dog. She is like 3 know and is afriad of people touching her head. And does not like being touched AT ALL. Once again Renia great post ^^

Berton · August 2009

Avla wrote:

I don't think anyone should be get into breeding if they don't have room. Like Wheaty said, what kind of a breeder is that.

We have room for our dogs but because he had a mental something or another and he couldnt go out with any of the other dogs he tried to break out of his crate if another dog ran by him. We didnt have a place to put him where he wouldnt be able to get to the other dogs.

Hibachi · August 2009

Wheaton wrote:

Avla wrote:

I don't think anyone should be get into breeding if they don't have room. Like Wheaty said, what kind of a breeder is that.

We have room for our dogs but because he had a mental something or another and he couldnt go out with any of the other dogs he tried to break out of his crate if another dog ran by him. We didnt have a place to put him where he wouldnt be able to get to the other dogs.

I know. XD I was reffering to what Marseilles said about the puppies being put down.

Erra · August 2009

-wants to be the Ninja Neuterer-

Howdy, Stranger!

Thinking of RL breeding?

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