Mutt Breeding

Cobalt · July 2008

I'm not sure if this is possible, but I'll say it anyway :P I've noticed that it seems as if most of the irresponsible novices who breed crappy dogs breed mutts. I hate rescuing all of the stupid mutts who i'll end up getting rid of anyway, because there's so many that no one wants them. I think a good way to stop the irresponsible breeding of mutts is to only allow breeding between breeds in sponsor kennels. Not just breeding kennels, though, it can be any sponsor type. Sponsors tend to understand the game better and are usually more responsible. Just my two cents. Opinions?

lilly waters · July 2008

That might work. It would sure make everything a little more responsible.

loko_carloko · July 2008

This actually might be good. And if a novice really, legitimately wanted a mutt, they'd have to ask a sponsor to breed them one. Like training or something.

kimyo · July 2008

I'm not really sure. Some people who just played Vp might buy a sponsor account, even if they don't understand it yet. :P I did. Anyways, I'm not sure if it's gonna be successful, but it is a suggestion. So, I'm so so with the decision.

Mikey Makita · July 2008

I like it ^.^

Cobalt · July 2008

loko_carloko wrote:

This actually might be good. And if a novice really, legitimately wanted a mutt, they'd have to ask a sponsor to breed them one. Like training or something.

Exactly! And through that, sponsors could more carefully monitor mutt breeding.

kimyo wrote:

I'm not really sure. Some people who just played Vp might buy a sponsor account, even if they don't understand it yet. :P I did. Anyways, I'm not sure if it's gonna be successful, but it is a suggestion. So, I'm so so with the decision.

Yes, there's always the inexperienced novices, but most sponsor owners know the "code of ethics" , if you will. I'm not saying it will totally get rid of irresponsible mutt breeding, just that it will hinder it effectively.

Aziu · July 2008

While the concept of controlling the mutt population may be appealing, I don't support the idea. Firstly, just because some players don't like mutts, that shouldn't prevent others from breeding them. If you feel you're rescuing too many mutts, just release/retire them. I don't see what the problem with mutts is - yes there are many with bad stats, but the same can be said for other "overpopulated" breeds on this game - should we limit the breeding of everything to sponsor kennels? After all, it's just a game; no reason to let bits of data bother you when you don't have to deal with them.

Cobalt · July 2008

Cobalt wrote:

As for the "other breed" theory [and I knew someone would bring that up] I decided to compare the mutt population to the overpopulated siberian husky population. There are almost 7000 more mutts than siberian huskies. That is exactly 1.32% more of the whole population than siberian husky.

AshleeBrooke · July 2008

Its a game. Every player should be able to enjoy the game. Who cares about poor statted mutts. Does it affect your dogs or lines. Nope not in any way. Now to think of it I really don't see why mutts should be neutered. xD

Cobalt · July 2008

Zoe wrote:

Its a game. Every player should be able to enjoy the game. Who cares about poor statted mutts. Does it affect your dogs or lines. Nope not in any way. Now to think of it I really don't see why mutts should be neutered. xD

If I were a novice, I'd have no problem not being able to breed mutts. It really wouldn't affect me, if I wanted them bred I could ask a sponsor. I could still enjoy the game.

Aziu · July 2008

I'm with Zoe. If anything should be done with mutts, they should be made breedable. >:} But, nothing's changing with them that I can foresee.

loko_carloko · July 2008

Maybe like mutts bred in sponsor kennels can be unneutered, and mutts bred by novices are still neutered? As a happy medium :]

EoS Gyrfalcon · July 2008

loko_carloko wrote:

Maybe like mutts bred in sponsor kennels can be unneutered, and mutts bred by novices are still neutered? As a happy medium :]

The un-neutered mutts in the sponsor kennels would leak out to the novices, I'm sure.

loko_carloko · July 2008

EoS Gyrfalcon wrote:

loko_carloko wrote:

Maybe like mutts bred in sponsor kennels can be unneutered, and mutts bred by novices are still neutered? As a happy medium :]

 The un-neutered mutts in the sponsor kennels would leak out to the novices, I'm sure.

Yes, that is definitely true. But is that really such a bad thing? And all novices aren't bad. I'm actually a novice myself, at this moment. So I don't know, I don't think it's fair to do that to novices.

EoS Gyrfalcon · July 2008

loko_carloko wrote:

EoS Gyrfalcon wrote:

loko_carloko wrote:

Maybe like mutts bred in sponsor kennels can be unneutered, and mutts bred by novices are still neutered? As a happy medium :]

 The un-neutered mutts in the sponsor kennels would leak out to the novices, I'm sure. 

 Yes, that is definitely true. But is that really such a bad thing? And all novices aren't bad. I'm actually a novice myself, at this moment. So I don't know, I don't think it's fair to do that to novices.

haha, that's basically my whole point against this "mutt-breeding" suggestion. Novices need their way of making money too, and I'm sure dogs are a primary source. I'm not trying to imply that all novices are bad, but I know many more that have not the slightest idea of what they're doing, as opposed to you then. I've also seen some inexperienced sponsor kennels. =P But in conclusion, I don't think sponsors should get to breed un-neutered mutts. If you want a 9x4 for example, you can always breed a border collie with something else. x3 I know, I strayed off in my own words. Lack of sleep!

SkelAnimals · July 2008

i am a novice and i think thats a great idea!!!

i mean in the past i bred mutts but then i stoped and came where i am today... breeding rare zulu dogz!!

History Maker · July 2008

I am also a novice and I do not support this. First of all, hardly anyone wants a mutt so they are not a very good money maker. Many of the mutts are probably bred by new players because they don't know what else to do, and if they are anything like my brother, they just want quantity instead of focusing on quality. The begining players have to have time to adjust and get used to the game, so it may be better if they start with mutts, very cheap and easy to come by. Once they realize, later, that breeding mutts of low stats is useless, they will probably stop. Second of all, not all mutts are bad. It is only because of the different breeds that they are called a mutt. There are high stated mutts out there so why only not let novices breed mutts? Why not (as said before) siberian huskies? Or any other breed? There will always be bad stated dogs in any breed, including mutts. Thirdly, we, novices, are already limited. We can only have so many breedings so eventually they will have to go to a breeder, and many breeders will not breed mutts. Plus if anyone would want to breed mutts, it may be hard on their budgets. I have not found one single breeder that breeds for free. How much lesser will you make us novices? It is certainly not all of us that are doing that. I know that some novices can be a problem but don't stereotype. I totally support releasing/retiring mutts but I do not think you need to go so far as to ban us from breeding mutts.

BuffyBoarding · July 2008

have not found one single breeder that breeds for free

If i see novices that want to improve a breed and have Trained dogs. i always either lower my prices or will breed for free.

Cobalt · August 2008

History Maker wrote:

I am also a novice and I do not support this. First of all, hardly anyone wants a mutt so they are not a very good money maker. Many of the mutts are probably bred by new players because they don't know what else to do, and if they are anything like my brother, they just want quantity instead of focusing on quality. The begining players have to have time to adjust and get used to the game, so it may be better if they start with mutts, very cheap and easy to come by. Once they realize, later, that breeding mutts of low stats is useless, they will probably stop. Second of all, not all mutts are bad. It is only because of the different breeds that they are called a mutt. There are high stated mutts out there so why only not let novices breed mutts? Why not (as said before) siberian huskies? Or any other breed? There will always be bad stated dogs in any breed, including mutts. Thirdly, we, novices, are already limited. We can only have so many breedings so eventually they will have to go to a breeder, and many breeders will not breed mutts. Plus if anyone would want to breed mutts, it may be hard on their budgets. I have not found one single breeder that breeds for free. How much lesser will you make us novices? It is certainly not all of us that are doing that. I know that some novices can be a problem but don't stereotype. I totally support releasing/retiring mutts but I do not think you need to go so far as to ban us from breeding mutts.

First of all, as to your "let them experiment with mutts to get their experience" theory, why should we? If mutts were limited only to sponsor accounts, inexperienced novices would at least breed purebred dogs, which are more sought after than mutts. I also think this might provide these people with the idea that mutt breeding is not something you just do for the heck of it. But if you think about it, if all novices start out breeding random mutts, how many extra dogs is that that rescue kennels have to clean up? I can't tell you how many horribly statted mutts I have to release/retire regularly. More than all the other breeds combined. As for the "hard on the pocketbook" approach, you must not be looking. I charge a measly $500 for every breeding of 2 200/280 parents. I know a lot of people who bred for me for free when I was a novice. That is a lousy excuse given by people who are too lazy to look for a cheap sponsor breeder. And, as for your "we are novices, we are limited" idea, I hate to say it, but sponsors pay for their privileges. you may be limited, but you choose to play the free game. I used to be a novice, and I understood this. It's not that hard to find a helpful sponsor who will breed for you for a low or no cost at all. And, I'm not saying all novices are like this. I know many reputable novices. Unfortunately, all the others that ruin it for novices. Abuse of the Barkpark is why they made it for sponsors only

Krolak · August 2008

EoS Gyrfalcon wrote:

loko_carloko wrote:

EoS Gyrfalcon wrote:

loko_carloko wrote:

Maybe like mutts bred in sponsor kennels can be unneutered, and mutts bred by novices are still neutered? As a happy medium :]

 The un-neutered mutts in the sponsor kennels would leak out to the novices, I'm sure. 

 Yes, that is definitely true. But is that really such a bad thing? And all novices aren't bad. I'm actually a novice myself, at this moment. So I don't know, I don't think it's fair to do that to novices.

 haha, that's basically my whole point against this "mutt-breeding" suggestion. Novices need their way of making money too, and I'm sure dogs are a primary source. I'm not trying to imply that all novices are bad, but I know many more that have not the slightest idea of what they're doing, as opposed to you then. I've also seen some inexperienced sponsor kennels. =P But in conclusion, I don't think sponsors should get to breed un-neutered mutts. If you want a 9x4 for example, you can always breed a border collie with something else. x3 I know, I strayed off in my own words. Lack of sleep!

: \ er.. if you want unneutered mutts.... just import them

History Maker · August 2008

Cobalt wrote:

History Maker wrote:

I am also a novice and I do not support this. First of all, hardly anyone wants a mutt so they are not a very good money maker. Many of the mutts are probably bred by new players because they don't know what else to do, and if they are anything like my brother, they just want quantity instead of focusing on quality. The begining players have to have time to adjust and get used to the game, so it may be better if they start with mutts, very cheap and easy to come by. Once they realize, later, that breeding mutts of low stats is useless, they will probably stop. Second of all, not all mutts are bad. It is only because of the different breeds that they are called a mutt. There are high stated mutts out there so why only not let novices breed mutts? Why not (as said before) siberian huskies? Or any other breed? There will always be bad stated dogs in any breed, including mutts. Thirdly, we, novices, are already limited. We can only have so many breedings so eventually they will have to go to a breeder, and many breeders will not breed mutts. Plus if anyone would want to breed mutts, it may be hard on their budgets. I have not found one single breeder that breeds for free. How much lesser will you make us novices? It is certainly not all of us that are doing that. I know that some novices can be a problem but don't stereotype. I totally support releasing/retiring mutts but I do not think you need to go so far as to ban us from breeding mutts.

 First of all, as to your "let them experiment with mutts to get their experience" theory, why should we? If mutts were limited only to sponsor accounts, inexperienced novices would at least breed purebred dogs, which are more sought after than mutts. I also think this might provide these people with the idea that mutt breeding is not something you just do for the heck of it. But if you think about it, if all novices start out breeding random mutts, how many extra dogs is that that rescue kennels have to clean up? I can't tell you how many horribly statted mutts I have to release/retire regularly. More than all the other breeds combined. As for the "hard on the pocketbook" approach, you must not be looking. I charge a measly $500 for every breeding of 2 200/280 parents. I know a lot of people who bred for me for free when I was a novice. That is a lousy excuse given by people who are too lazy to look for a cheap sponsor breeder. And, as for your "we are novices, we are limited" idea, I hate to say it, but sponsors pay for their privileges. you may be limited, but you choose to play the free game. I used to be a novice, and I understood this. It's not that hard to find a helpful sponsor who will breed for you for a low or no cost at all. And, I'm not saying all novices are like this. I know many reputable novices. Unfortunately, all the others that ruin it for novices. Abuse of the Barkpark is why they made it for sponsors only

Through all of this you never explained my concept:

Second of all, not all mutts are bad. It is only because of the different breeds that they are called a mutt. There are high stated mutts out there so why only not let novices breed mutts? Why not (as said before) siberian huskies? Or any other breed? There will always be bad stated dogs in any breed, including mutts.

Novices can only breed so many times and if they want to use them on mutts, then why not let them?

Cobalt · August 2008

Cobalt wrote:

As for the "other breed" theory [and I knew someone would bring that up] I decided to compare the mutt population to the overpopulated siberian husky population. There are almost 7000 more mutts than siberian huskies. That is exactly 1.32% more of the whole population than siberian husky.

The fact that there are so many mutts is due to the fact that they are so easy to breed. Any random dog + another random dog = mutt. Making this a little more difficult to achieve would effectively reduce the mutt population growth enough so that sponsor rescues could clean up the breed a bit.

~Topleaf~ · August 2008

Just imagine if this did happen. Remember the whole change with halloween breeds, and the new training page, and the bark park being limited to sponsors? >.> It would turn completely nasty, because too many people have too much time on their hands, and they find nothing better to do then complain. I am sure I am not alone in the fact that complaining is annoying. When you come on here to have some fun and all you read about is "My real dog is a mutt, and mutts are equal to other dogs in every way, why should they be discriminated against on this site." I am picturing it now. -_- Looks ugly. Although I agree that mutts are majorly overpopulated, ignore it. It is probably even the same in real life, and so consider the game more 'realistic' xD This was not a post to bash your idea, I am just thinking beyond the idea (which is good besides the points stated above).

Cobalt · August 2008

~Topleaf~ wrote:

Just imagine if this did happen. Remember the whole change with halloween breeds, and the new training page, and the bark park being limited to sponsors? >.> It would turn completely nasty, because too many people have too much time on their hands, and they find nothing better to do then complain. I am sure I am not alone in the fact that complaining is annoying. When you come on here to have some fun and all you read about is "My real dog is a mutt, and mutts are equal to other dogs in every way, why should they be discriminated against on this site." I am picturing it now. -_- Looks ugly. Although I agree that mutts are majorly overpopulated, ignore it. It is probably even the same in real life, and so consider the game more 'realistic' xD This was not a post to bash your idea, I am just thinking beyond the idea (which is good besides the points stated above).

Yeah, I know it'll never happen. At this point I'm jsut defending my idea XD

DiamondPuppy0809 · August 2008

My opinion: Well, I think (being a novice) it sounds okay. But that's only because I can afford to buy sponsor breeding (I was once a sponsor before). They've already taken the BarkPark away... do novices really want their breeding rights to be taken away, too? I mean, it's all up to the novices, I think. I'll be a sponsor soon, so it won't affect me too much after that, but I still like to stick up for novices and such. The whole BarkPark deal wasn't a good idea, I don't think... because now novices are buying sponsor accounts with absolutely NO idea how to use them at all! Novices have their rights, sponsors have theirs. Sponsors will worry about their own rights (they have a lot, they pay to play the game), and novices will worry about their own. Sounds good to me that way... But if you disagree, please speak up, because I'm no hypocrite and I don't judge. I love other peoples' opinions aside my own, too. But, if novices have breeding rights taken away--it won't make much of a difference. They already only have 25 breedings per novice kennel. If someone wants to breed a mutt, breed a mutt. If someone wants to breed a purebred, breed a purebred. Personally, I love mutts... I have two in real life--but that's a whole different world. This place is virtual not real. And like the saying goes, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it." So, if nothing's going wrong, leave it alone. Thanks for reading my opinion and giving it a chance!

Cobalt · August 2008

Garfieldz Gal wrote:

My opinion: Well, I think (being a novice) it sounds okay. But that's only because I can afford to buy sponsor breeding (I was once a sponsor before). They've already taken the BarkPark away... do novices really want their breeding rights to be taken away, too? I mean, it's all up to the novices, I think. I'll be a sponsor soon, so it won't affect me too much after that, but I still like to stick up for novices and such. The whole BarkPark deal wasn't a good idea, I don't think... because now novices are buying sponsor accounts with absolutely NO idea how to use them at all! Novices have their rights, sponsors have theirs. Sponsors will worry about their own rights (they have a lot, they pay to play the game), and novices will worry about their own. Sounds good to me that way... But if you disagree, please speak up, because I'm no hypocrite and I don't judge. I love other peoples' opinions aside my own, too. But, if novices have breeding rights taken away--it won't make much of a difference. They already only have 25 breedings per novice kennel. If someone wants to breed a mutt, breed a mutt. If someone wants to breed a purebred, breed a purebred. Personally, I love mutts... I have two in real life--but that's a whole different world. This place is virtual not real. And like the saying goes, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it." So, if nothing's going wrong, leave it alone. Thanks for reading my opinion and giving it a chance!

You make it sound as if people starte buying sponsor accounts without knowing what they were because the Barkpark was taken away from novices. Please explain what you mean by this, as I don't see the logic...o.0 I believe that while yes, the novices should have rights, the paying players of VP have more say in what happens. You may not consider it a problem, but I think that the growing mutt population is a problem. Also, as for the "they only get 25 breedings" thing, that's why novices make multiple kennels. I know of about a thousand cases of this happening. They run out of breedings in one kennel, they make another. Simple as that. Then they get to breed that many more litters of crappy dogs. and again, I state that sponsor breeding is not expensive. Take the time to look for a good breeder, and there ya go. Fast and cheap. Anyone can afford it.

LadyRuatha3 · August 2008

Actually, mutts aren't growing. Yeah there are a lot of them, much more than any other breed. But with my efforts and the help of many others we managed to get them below 15k about a month ago. And they are still just below 15k. So I don't really think mutts are growing any faster than any other breed, I think is just that they get forgotten about. People go through the other breeds, the ones they care about and rescue the ones they can, but I don't believe anyone was really going through mutts until I started the reduction project. With a bit more time an effort we may be able to get them even lower, so in my opinion, mutts aren't a major problem, just an ignored breed.

Alabama · August 2008

Maybe y'all didn't see Aziu and Zoe's post on this subject. It's not going to change. Mutts are a part of the game, and remember, it is a GAME. There is no such thing as irresponsible breeding. That happens in RL where living, breathing animals are concerned. Whether a novice breeds mutts or even breeds at all doesn't impact your way of playing. And if you take breeding away from them, they have one less incentive to stick around long enough to see if they might want to upgrade when their breedings run out. Part of the fun of this game is breeding and I'm sure hundreds of people get on this game and breed up a storm because that's what they wish they could do in real life and they have fun doing it. That's the purpose of this game, to have fun, remember? Just because your brand of fun doesn't mesh with someone else doesn't mean their fun should be taken away as long as it doesn't impact you. You don't want to deal with mutts, don't deal with them, simple as that. And I'm sure all those breeding sponsors would love to have their main focus handed out to all the other sponsors.

ShoreLineShelties · August 2008

I know sponsers that have mutts and breed them. I am a novice and I breed responsible. And that would take alot of money away from breeding kennels and novices. Just because someone spends $25 to get a upgrade does not mean they are more responsible. Why does everyone want to take things away from novices?

Krolak · August 2008

LadyRuatha wrote:

Actually, mutts aren't growing. Yeah there are a lot of them, much more than any other breed. But with my efforts and the help of many others we managed to get them below 15k about a month ago. And they are still just below 15k. So I don't really think mutts are growing any faster than any other breed, I think is just that they get forgotten about. People go through the other breeds, the ones they care about and rescue the ones they can, but I don't believe anyone was really going through mutts until I started the reduction project. With a bit more time an effort we may be able to get them even lower, so in my opinion, mutts aren't a major problem, just an ignored breed.

xD it actually has made a big difference with all the mutts that were released/retired

JayMay7 · August 2008

I think there are entirely too many out there on the market, and I FULLY agree with this. I think that people should realize that good lines are what makes money, or at least part of it, and not just experiment with dogs because they can.

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