Mutts

Werewolf3 · April 2006

I think it should be impossible to breed mutts from now on and/or make a warning when one is breeding saying That this cross creates a mutt. Or, make it impossible to breed mutts unless the parent dogs have a standard minimum for stars.... that is unless the parents have five stats with four stars to them they can not be breed to create mutts I love mutts in real life, don't get me wrong... I've owned a scottish/border terrier called Jinxx, a rough collie/border collie called Shiva, and a alaskan husky/german shepherd called Maximum Talent And I loved everyone of them, because well mutts in real life happen to have some better qualities than pure breeds the most predominant of which happens to be that they are not quite as overbred as pure-breeds and thus don't suffer from handicaps such as over hyperness and genetic disorders - such as hip disorders. But in regards to mutts in the game, it could be safe to say that a vast majority of them are utterly worthless. There are some 19220 mutts [7.71% of dog population] at this posting, and 2672 of those animals happen to be for sale... A lot of these dogs are like these animals <a href="http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=153895&view=1"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.virtualpups.com/viewdog.php? ... 895&view=1</a> <a href="http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=175840&view=1"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.virtualpups.com/viewdog.php? ... 840&view=1</a> <a href="http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=272378&view=1"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.virtualpups.com/viewdog.php? ... 378&view=1</a> Such mutts are from untrained often abused - overbred - parent dogs which means that they have poor stats. But unlike other breeds which can be trained and bred as a means of improving their stats, mutts happen to be born neutered so there is no means [unless crossbreeding highstated dogs] to get stats that will provide to be any worth in regards to showing the animals. Such mutts are often for sale as VERY cheap prices - even free - due to the fact that people know that it is impossible to sell these animals due to the fact that their stats are pathetic.

deedee1 · April 2006

I don't think anything should be done about the mutt situation. Really, the fact that mutts are born neutered makes them self-limitting. Realistically, the people that are breeding the mutts to the greatest extent are the same people that wouldn't be fazed at breeding untrained purebred dogs. The difference between breeding untrained mutts, and untrained purebred dogs, is that the mutts can't be rebred to make super-untrained mutts, while the untrained purebred dogs can still be bred again and again to make more super-untrained purebred dogs. And really, what is it hurting anyone else if people want to make a horribly statted Great Dane/Chihuahua cross or a Labradoodle or a Rotti/Lab cross that looks like their real life dog? If that is how they want to play the game, then they have an equal right to do that as they do to breed well trained purebred dogs. If people are somehow offended by VP mutts, then make it your personal crusade to purchase and release/retire as many mutts as you can. But to say that people have no right to breed them to begin with is crossing the line a bit. (Please note that all that is said about mutts in the above statement is in regard to the mutts of VirtualPups. Do not twist my words to somehow apply to real life mutts, I honestly don't want to get into that debate and it would do the post justice if no one else did either.)

deedee1 · April 2006

Oops, thought of something else to say after I made my first post. It was stated in the original post of this thread that mutts make up 7.71% of the VP population, with most of them being horribly statted dogs. Well, Border Collies make up 7.53% of the VP population with the vast majority of them being horribly statted and untrained as well. Such as these: <a href="http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=238084"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=238084</a> <a href="http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=369257"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=369257</a> <a href="http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=376705"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=376705</a> Should we then say that there are too many badly statted Border Collies (or German Shepherds, or Great Danes, or Greyhounds) and that we shouldn't be allowed to breed them anymore? The difference between these dogs and the mutts that were shown in the original post, is that these dogs are all offered for stud so can go on to make more horrible statted dogs. But to say that badly statted dogs are useless, I would have to beg to differ. I found this dog in an abandoned kennel and rescued it, then trained it up. <a href="http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=256049"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=256049</a> It is from overbred parents and is inbred way back in its lines. It has only 21 stars COMBINED with no stats above 2.5 stars. I then competed the dog and took it to National level with a 64% W/P/S rate! I think anyone would be hard-pressed to say that this dog is useless, yet it has absolutely appalling stats! So come on now people, I think we all have more important things to worry about than someone breeding badly statted mutts that, really in the big scheme of VP, don't affect us at all. Unless someone is purposefully and maliciously causing harm to another player, let them play the way they want to play.

ArcticStar3 · April 2006

fair point there. **is undecided**

Rebel912 · April 2006

Well, part of me thinks its teaching irresponsibility to allow people to produce mutts. I dont care if theyre neutered or not. Id like to see it impossible to mate dogs of different breeds. I also think import mutts shouldnt be allowed to breed. On the other hand though, why target mutts? There are just as many badly statted dogs that are purebred. Having untrained, low statted parents that are overbred isnt just something that applies to mutts. It happens with purebred dogs too. Im kind of with DeeDee on this one. The more I think about it, shes right. People can play the game however they want to ...even if the majority of us disagree with what theyre doing. If people want to breed mutts they should be able to. If we want to release/retire them we should be able to. As much as I hate the way some people play the game, its their right to do so.

MaJiK · April 2006

I really agree with Dee on this one. Although Brun's idea of saying: This Cross breeds a Mutt Is an excellent idea. Just my opinion.

Werewolf3 · April 2006

Yes, but there's a difference between badly statted BCs, GSDs, and other breeds in that unless the animal is too old to be bothered with and/or is already neutered the animal can be trained by a sponser and/or even a novice and become a "benefit" even with its poor stats because of the fact it can be used to improve the breed in some way or another. But with mutts, you CAN'T breed to improve the breed, so the stats are going to remain as they are no matter how many times you train the dogs as you can't breed them... the only means to get a good mutt is by breeding good parents

Kazuko · April 2006

MaJiK wrote:

I really agree with Dee on this one. Although Brun's idea of saying: This Cross breeds a Mutt Is an excellent idea. Just my opinion.

I second that. xD

Rebel912 · April 2006

Hmm, speaking of a warning before officially breeding... I think this would be a good idea for all breedings not just crosses. Like for releasing, retiring, selling, etc. theres always a "are you sure you want to blah blah blah?" I think after you select a stud a page should show up having something along these lines.... "You have chosen to breed [insert females name here], a(n) [insert breed of dam here] with [insert males name here], a(n) [insert breed of sire here]. This will produce a litter of [insert breed here] puppies. Do you wish to proceed?"

The Impster · April 2006

Rebel912 wrote:

Hmm, speaking of a warning before officially breeding... I think this would be a good idea for all breedings not just crosses. Like for releasing, retiring, selling, etc. theres always a "are you sure you want to blah blah blah?" I think after you select a stud a page should show up having something along these lines.... "You have chosen to breed [insert females name here], a(n) [insert breed of dam here] with [insert males name here], a(n) [insert breed of sire here]. This will produce a litter of [insert breed here] puppies. Do you wish to proceed?"

I think that'd be good too, but I love the idea that it says that it's a mutt. Only because in real life, they have like ShibaPoos (A Shiba Inu mixed with a Poodle, Shudders... Shibas are sooo cute! Mine is anyways!) And like Cokcapoos and such, they might think it'd come out with a weird name, And I also accidentally clicked too fast, and it bred with the wrong dog, making mutts, so I got sooo mad at myself for not slowing down, because I spent $50,000 on a stud to produce Mutts!!!!! I had to release all the mutts and start all over...[/b]

Sango · April 2006

Though I dont like people breeding millions of horribly statted mutts, I just dont buy them, dont support kennels that breed them ect. I also think that somehting should be done with the puppy mills(untraineed, overbred, inbred line breeders) of all breeds, such as DeeDee said. Thats what Animal Precinct is all about (my club) keeping those kinds of dogs down in pop by getting supporters to 'ban' them from they're kennels(unless rescued then htey are neutered and trained to try to make them the best they can be dispote the horrid stats if they cant be released/retired) I think that dogs shouldnt be able to be bred if maybe they're stats arent like 80% atleast to 100? then atleast the stats would improve a little bit

Forever Free · April 2006

MaJiK wrote: I really agree with Dee on this one. Although Brun's idea of saying: This Cross breeds a Mutt Is an excellent idea. Just my opinion. I second that. xD

I third it (is that even possible? *ponders*) When I first started I bought a very nicely stated wolf and a nicely stated wolf hybrid. Thinking they were the same breed, I bred them and was shocked when the outcome where mutts.

Jasper · April 2006

i don't think there is a problem with mutts whatsoever but people who breed mutts that have awful stats thats a problem mutts get bad names because some people are stupid i have seen GREAT mutts! but not as many as bad mutts sadly this is with most common breeds so i woudln't blame the breed i have a new saying this sorta goes with: "Don't Blame the Breed, Blame the Breeder" yeah! i have had 7x4s and 9x4s 6x4s and 8x4s there ain't nothin wrong with mutts! blame the breeder not the breed i know mutts aren't a "breed" technically but they are SOO common in the real world like dalmations or goldens or labs that it is hard NOT to keep them here long story made short my vote?: no

Jasper · April 2006

Ryft wrote:

MaJiK wrote:

I really agree with Dee on this one. Although Brun's idea of saying: This Cross breeds a Mutt Is an excellent idea. Just my opinion.

I second that. xD

i forth it lol and by the way what deedee said yes i occasionally rescue the dogs in a kennel train them up put some in my show kennel and the rest in for adoption as i also do a part time rescue/train/adopt out center look at this mutt i rescued she was 1 yr. 3 months old when i started training <a href="http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=110427"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=110427</a>; i have not yet shown her but still! and here is a few dogs i have for stud now that i rescued <a href="http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=328477"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=328477</a>; i bought/resued him for 100k was 1 yr. 5 months <a href="http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=97596"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=97596</a>; <a href="http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=203145"; target="_blank" class="bb-url">http://www.virtualpups.com/index.php?r=dog/view&id=203145</a>; the fact of the matter is mutts are NOT useless neutered=useless in many eyes By the way i also hope people would stop posting Mutts are useless because people start feeling like outcasts and bad not all

Jasper · May 2006

BrunDrake wrote:

Yes, but there's a difference between badly statted BCs, GSDs, and other breeds in that unless the animal is too old to be bothered with and/or is already neutered the animal can be trained by a sponser and/or even a novice and become a "benefit" even with its poor stats because of the fact it can be used to improve the breed in some way or another. But with mutts, you CAN'T breed to improve the breed, so the stats are going to remain as they are no matter how many times you train the dogs as you can't breed them... the only means to get a good mutt is by breeding good parents

that last part i agree with but i have something to say about that..... mutts... can't get worse they are neutered they can't get worse only gain more bad dogs right? pure breeds/intact dogs.... can get worse YES they CAN get improved but at the same time they get worse and worse the fact is mutts you breed the best you can and they either come out good or bad stat wise all you can do it train them and get them to show for you while intact dogs you can breed them train them breed them show them the only differences are: intact/not intact- neutered bad statted pure breeds might as well be mutts! intact/not intact- intacts have "bonuses" that is all nothing more nothing less

AmberIsabellD · June 2006

I am not for this! Mutts are great! A dog is a dog no matter what. Lots of purebreds today were once mutts.......

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