Now, before we start attacking Beagle for feeling this way, I'd like to point out this is a vent. ^^ We're all entitled to our own opinions, but let's not get overly snappy about someone else's.<br><br>Again, sorry about Max, but try not to let that one dog affect your views on the breed as a whole. I've personally been attacked by labs, rottweilers, pit bulls, chesapeke bay retrievers, golden retrievers, dachshunds, chihuahuas, airedale terriers, schnauzer mixes... You name it, it's come after me. xD But I don't let my memories of those particular dogs affect my quality of life.
<br><br>I hope that I didn't attack in my first post. I apologize if I did. I prefer bringing facts to the table really as opinions can sometimes be over rated and based on over reaction. Beagle, just so you know I'm not attacking you or your opinions. <br><br>And for everyone else out there, I really recommend visiting the links I posted. It might surprise you about what I found!
I hope that I didn't attack in my first post. I apologize if I did. I prefer bringing facts to the table really as opinions can sometimes be over rated and based on over reaction. Beagle, just so you know I'm not attacking you or your opinions.
<br><br>I mostly posted that in response to Kdog's reply. xD Everyone else seems to have been pretty civil.
You should Have never posted this...I Love Them to death.Don't vent about This breed,You can get the boot from the Players. :P :evil: (Very made at this,other stuff)
<span style="font-size:90"><br>I like that KittKat posted those links, I'm sure they're very informative (I haven't gotten a chance to read them..as my computer has next to no virus protection and I don't want to risk it..since, it's always my fault if the computer ends up messed up, even if I wasn't even on it. <.< )<br>Anyway, I think that instead of "jumping down beaglepaw's throat", we should try to explain to him/her that even though APBTs were originally bred for fighting, that it really is on it's way to wean out the bad from the good. I know that most of us are being rather civil and polite, even if beaglepaw seems to not want to hear it, I feel that it'd be better to just let them have their bias opinion (not meant offensively, but truthfully) or give them true, unbias information from both sides.<br>Lala_Laru: I apologize for my faulty information. I truly feel that a majority of said breeds (not just APBT) have the off-chance ability to lock their jaws, just as horses do it involuntarily. Being that it would be on the off-chance, it will obviously not be able to be scientifically proven. I won't go into this, since scientific proof is obviously weighted more than my beliefs, lol.<br>As for <span style="font-style:italic">all</span> the news reports that talk about PB attacks, I agree with KittKat that it's because of their reputation. News is all about what is going to catch the most attention; if it's not interesting enough, it gets ditched. <br>I'd also like to point out to beaglepaw that more than just the OPs gave you understanding and nice comments. I'm not going to go on about how I'm offended you didn't mention any of us, because I really don't care too much. I just thought I'd point it out, as other members aside from me have said understanding/nice comments.(;<br>I also would agree with whoever it was that said about how many of the so-called "Pit Bull Attacks" aren't even made by a PB. Many people lie when they report it to try and get some big story out of it, IMHO.<br>Luvey: I agree with you, I'm <span style="font-style:italic">always</span> wary of any cattle dogs (except Drew's...since she's the best trained dog I've ever seen and had the opportunity to meet). Cattle dogs have the herding instinct, which often leads them to be PTS because they nipped at someone's ankles, or they ended up getting kicked and injured while out at a farm messing with the horses. I think dogs any smaller than mid-calf is basically evil. I believe that they need some of the most structure/limitations/discipline than almost any other breed, but they don't get it. Why? They're small, they couldn't hurt a fly, eh? That's how almost everyone that owns them thinks, and it's definitely putting my tolerance to any snappy behaviour (even playing) down and making me wish I could actually do something to educate and sway their bias opinions so that they understand that that little yorkie can potentially kill a child.<br><br>I may be back with a bit more information/opinions..but I'm actually trying to pack for my dad's and get a few other things done.(:<br></span>
For those that are unable to go to the links, here is the information about the APBT. <br><br><span style="font-style:italic"><span style="font-weight:bold"><span style="text-decoration:underline"><span style="font-size:150">American Pit Bull Terrier</span></span></span><br><span style="font-weight:bold"><span style="text-decoration:underline">History</span></span><br><br>During the 19th century, England, Ireland, and Scotland began to experiment with crosses between bulldogs and terriers, looking for a dog that combined the gameness of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the bulldog.[1]<br>In the late 19th century to early 20th century, two clubs were formed for the specific purpose of registering APBTs: the United Kennel Club and the American Dog Breeders Association. The United Kennel Club was founded in 1898, and was the first registry to recognize the breed, with the owner assigning the first number to his own APBT.[2]<br>The dog was bred first to bait bulls and bears.[3] When baiting bulls was deemed inhumane, ratting, a sport where a number of rats were placed in a pit for a specified time with the dog, and dog fighting became more popular. The APBT was used in both sports, and its prevalence in being put in pits with rats led to "pit" being added to its name.[4] With time, the dogs became more commonly used as house pets due to their friendliness towards people.[5] In America, farmers and ranchers used their APBTs for protection, as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, and to drive livestock.[6] The dog was used during World War I and World War II as a way of delivering messages on the battlefield.[5]<br>The name "Staffordshire Terrier" was adopted by some owners as a way of distancing the breed from a name with a stigma, and was recognized by the American Kennel Club in 1936. Later, the word "American" was added to reduce confusion with its smaller British cousin, the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Once an extremely popular family dog in the United States (for example, Pete the Pup in The Little Rascals movies and Tige in Buster Brown was an APBT), the American Pit Bull Terrier's popularity began to decline in the United States following World War II in favor of other breeds.<br><br><span style="font-weight:bold"><span style="text-decoration:underline">Characteristics</span></span><br><br>Appearance<br>The American Pit Bull is a medium-sized dog. It has a short coat and smooth, well-defined muscle structure. Its eyes are round to almond shaped, and its ears are small to medium in length and can be natural or cropped. The tail is thick and tapers to a point. The coat is glossy, smooth, short, and slightly stiff and can be any color except merle.[1] The breed ranges from a height of about 14 to 24 in (36 to 61 cm) at shoulders, and weighs between 30 and 60 lb (14 and 27 kg).[2]<br>Temperament<br>The APBT is a breed that is loyal to friends and family, and is generally friendly towards strangers. Many have strong instincts to chase and seize cats and other fleeing creatures, including deer and livestock (prey drive).[7] As with any dog breed, proper training and socialization at an early age is a must. According to the UKC, "aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable."[8]<br>The American Temperament Testing Society shows a pass percentage of 86% for American Pit Bull Terriers.[9] American Pit Bull Terriers generally have a lot of energy and benefit from exercise and stimulation to channel their energy properly and avoid becoming frustrated, bored, or destructive.<br>Health<br>The average life expectancy of an American Pit Bull Terrier is about twelve to fourteen years making them one of the longer living large breeds.[11] The breed tends to have a higher than average incidence of hip dysplasia.[12] They may also suffer from patella problems, thyroid dysfunction and congenital heart defects.[13] American Pit Bull Terriers with dilute coat colors have a higher occurrence of skin allergies.<br><br><span style="font-weight:bold"><span style="text-decoration:underline">Activities</span></span><br><br>Being intelligent, athletic dogs,[15] American Pit Bull Terriers excel in many dog sports, including weight pulling, dog agility, flyball, lure coursing, and advanced obedience competition. Some APBTs have been known to do well in schutzhund as well.[citation needed] Out of the 25 dogs who have earned UKC "superdog" status (by gaining championship titles in conformation, obedience, agility, and weightpull), fourteen have been American Pit Bull Terriers.[citation needed]<br>The American Pit Bull Terrier is a working dog, and is suitable for a wide range of working disciplines due to their intelligence, high energy, and endurance. In the United States they have been used as search and rescue dogs that save lives,[16] police dogs performing narcotics and explosives detection,[17][18] Border Patrol dogs, hearing dogs to provide services to the deaf, as well as general service dogs.<br><br><span style="font-weight:bold"><span style="text-decoration:underline">Law</span></span><br><br>Main articles: Breed-specific legislation and Pit Bull<br>Twelve countries in Europe,[19] Australia,[20] Canada,[19][21] Ecuador,[22] New Zealand,[23] Puerto Rico,[24] Singapore,[25] and Venezuela[26] have enacted some form of breed-specific legislation on pit bull-type dogs, including American Pit Bull Terriers, ranging from outright bans to restrictions and conditions on ownership.[19][27] The state of New South Wales in Australia places restrictions on the breed, including mandatory desexing, in order to ensure the eventual extinction of the breed in that state.[28][29]<br>Many states, counties, and cities in the United States have banned ownership of the American Pit Bull Terrier.<br>Some dog owners have begun claiming that their animals are Irish Staffordshire Bull Terriers, a breed which is in fact almost identical to the American Pit Bull Terrier. This faux name came into use in Britain in order to get around "the law banning American Pit Bull Terriers". These re-named dogs are then used to "fuel the return of dog fighting to levels last seen in the 1980s before the Dangerous Dogs Act was enforced." The RSPCA does not recognize this breed as legitimate and separate from its American counterpart.[30] However, the naming has since been accepted and utilized in most media when referring to pit bull terriers found in Britain. The breed itself is also on a list of four breeds that are banned in the UK.[31] and are destroyed whenever a dog is confirmed to be one of the banned breeds.</span><br>Referenced from Wikipedia
Pit bulls do have fighting in their genes, in their instinct. You can't take that away, they are dangerous. However it can be controlled by people who are experienced and I think the major problem is, people don't know how to control their dog! You can't buy a dangerous dog just because you like the breed and think it's awesome and tough. If people knew how to control their dogs we wouldn't have this problem. And it's not just pit bulls<br><br>- Nicely said, and I know if placed in the right hands they can be good dogs. But I just am very edgy around these dogs. <br><br>Another thing- If I vented about a beagle, or a chihuahua, or a toy dog. No one would say "Do not vent about this breeed i am mad" about those. Especially Chihuahua.
R.I.P Max I love you so so much my baby Chihuhuahua dog! 2005-2010
The APBT is a breed that is loyal to friends and family, and is generally friendly towards strangers. Many have strong instincts to chase and seize cats and other fleeing creatures, including deer and livestock (prey drive).[7] As with any dog breed, proper training and socialization at an early age is a must. According to the UKC, "aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable.
<br><br>The same could be said about many animals. And in no way is anyone saying that the breed is not dangerous, but the reputation behind the breed is also biased. The news makes them more vicious they really are and only focus on the ones with bad breeding and worse temperaments. But I also have to agree with others, smaller dogs tend to be more people aggressive. The reason most bites made by small dogs is not reported is because very rarely do they need medical treatment, but a Chihuahua and other small breeds are not good with kids and prefer adults (As mentioned on one of the sites I posted if anyone had the care to read them.) A small dog could easily kill an infant that cannot defend itself. Smaller dogs also have the tendency to be coddled if they do something bad which reinforces the behavior. A larger dog that shows aggressiveness is usually dealt with and scolded which should reverse the behavior.
Pit bulls do have fighting in their genes, in their instinct. You can't take that away, they are dangerous.
<br><br>I have to disagree with this a bit. I've known a pitbull that wasn't controlled at all, her owners let her run loose all over, and she was the sweetest dog I've ever seen. Wouldn't harm a fly. they did have a beware of dog sign, however, because they owned two little dogs, a beagle and a sheltie, who were completely and utterly vicious. Not all dogs conform to the breeds standards. <br><br>As for more fatal attacks for pit bull type breeds, a lot of that can be blamed on the owners. My cousin had her nose ripped of by a pair of pit bulls... Why? Because her boyfriend, their owner, made them attack her when they got in a fight. It wasn't because they were mean, it was because an owner with bad intentions trained them to do bad things.
Pit bulls do have fighting in their genes, in their instinct. You can't take that away, they are dangerous.
<br>I have to disagree with this a bit. I've known a pitbull that wasn't controlled at all, her owners let her run loose all over, and she was the sweetest dog I've ever seen. Wouldn't harm a fly. they did have a beware of dog sign, however, because they owned two little dogs, a beagle and a sheltie, who were completely and utterly vicious. Not all dogs conform to the breeds standards. <br><br>As for more fatal attacks for pit bull type breeds, a lot of that can be blamed on the owners. My cousin had her nose ripped of by a pair of pit bulls... Why? Because her boyfriend, their owner, made them attack her when they got in a fight. It wasn't because they were mean, it was because an owner with bad intentions trained them to do bad things.<br>
<br><br>Again I will refer to my previous post. You cannot disclaim that Pit Bulls do not have fighting in their genes. They were not bred initially as fighting dogs against other dogs, but for other sports that are now looked down upon. They were also used as farm animals however. But to say that Pit Bulls don't have fighting in their genes is not possible as it is written in black and white.<br><br>
The dog was bred first to bait bulls and bears.[3] When baiting bulls was deemed inhumane, ratting, a sport where a number of rats were placed in a pit for a specified time with the dog, and dog fighting became more popular. The APBT was used in both sports, and its prevalence in being put in pits with rats led to "pit" being added to its name.[4] With time, the dogs became more commonly used as house pets due to their friendliness towards people.[5] In America, farmers and ranchers used their APBTs for protection, as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, and to drive livestock.[6] The dog was used during World War I and World War II as a way of delivering messages on the battlefield.
You should not try to blame it on the entire breed, or the breed alone. There are very many dog breeds that CAN kill a dog or a person. Actually, any dog can kill someone. Blaming it on the breed doesn't do anything because it is usually depends on how the individual dog was bred/treated. Pit Bulls may be more dangerous than other dogs because many are large, and yes, you can tell it is a very strong breed of dog. This does not mean a Miniature Poodle is not capable of doing the exact same thing. It really doesn't have anything to do with the breed. Like I said before, it depends on the dog's lineage and how he/she was treated, or in many cases with Pit Bulls, what they were trained for, like Dog Fighting.
I wasn't saying that fighting wasn't in their genes, I was trying to say that doesn't mean they are all going to be dangerous because of that. Any dog is more likely to be aggressive because of improper treatment or bad breeding within the past few generations, not breeding from almost a century ago.
Pit bulls do have fighting in their genes, in their instinct. You can't take that away, they are dangerous. However it can be controlled by people who are experienced and I think the major problem is, people don't know how to control their dog! You can't buy a dangerous dog just because you like the breed and think it's awesome and tough. If people knew how to control their dogs we wouldn't have this problem. And it's not just pit bulls<br><br>- Nicely said, and I know if placed in the right hands they can be good dogs. But I just am very edgy around these dogs. <br><br>Another thing- If I vented about a beagle, or a chihuahua, or a toy dog. No one would say "Do not vent about this breeed i am mad" about those. Especially Chihuahua.
<br>If you said it about a chihuahua I'd agree Chihuahuas are mean buggers, well the ones I know. I also know mean toy dogs..
A Pit Bull bought from the shelter was most likely a fighting dog?? Um...NO. Dogs taken in with fighting history are put to sleep, not sold to the public. Dogs also go through temperament testing before being put up for adoption, even dogs that are food aggressive most likely end up being put to sleep if it's major, and it can't be trained out of them.<br><br>Anyway, I believe the Pit Bull is a fabulous breed, I think I already made that clear. Years of experience with this breed has made me love them. I also love all the other fighting breeds I own. And guess what? Those fighting breeds have never attacked another dog and have never attacked another person for no reason and without my say so, they play perfectly with kids and other dogs and are really just big babies, good training has made them this way. Now, the Lab that lives two houses away from me is a different story. He got my cousin's pant leg and would have probably taken a chunk of flesh off if I hadn't been there to stop him. That dog is purely vicious, I see him biting and attacking his owner when she waters her yard! And it's not playful either, she screams and cries and yells for help sometimes. The little mutt that lives next door...also vicious. He's probably a chihuahua mix, but boy does he bite hard. He's bitten me a few times before and went after my three month old cousin when I was walking her in her stroller, I had to kick him to get him away from her, and yet he comes back...every other day maybe. But NO ONE wants to do anything about it, not even animal control. Now, it if was a Pit Bull, that dog would be dead right now. I know I know, the dog is small and a Pit Bull is more "harmful", but that's total BS. To my baby cousin that dog IS a Pit Bull and that dog could easily kill her. It's bigger then her! Different dogs are just as harmful as Pit Bulls to different people. If that dog was well trained it would probably make a perfect pet.<br><br>My point is...there's always a story behind a vicious dog. Obviously neither of the dogs that I've mentioned are well trained. A trained dog is a happy dog and a safe dog. People need to understand that. A safe dog SHOULD make a happy owner, stupid people just can't seem to comprehend. And as for dog's with histories of abuse and violence, those dogs really either need to be put to sleep if it can't be trained out of them or they need to be kept away from the public at ALL times until proven friendly. I know it's not the dog's fault, and it's not fair, but that's just the way things are because of STUPID PEOPLE. Abused dogs can be a danger to the community whether it's their fault or not. It's still the owner's responsibility to keep their dog and the people around their dog safe, period.
Pit bulls do have fighting in their genes, in their instinct. You can't take that away, they are dangerous. However it can be controlled by people who are experienced and I think the major problem is, people don't know how to control their dog! You can't buy a dangerous dog just because you like the breed and think it's awesome and tough. If people knew how to control their dogs we wouldn't have this problem. And it's not just pit bulls<br><br>- Nicely said, and I know if placed in the right hands they can be good dogs. But I just am very edgy around these dogs. <br><br>Another thing- If I vented about a beagle, or a chihuahua, or a toy dog. No one would say "Do not vent about this breeed i am mad" about those. Especially Chihuahua.
<br><br><br>thats basically what i said about the owner thing
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