Vent Board-Voice Your Opinion and Vote!!

tarnish · October 2010

I don't really see the value of the vent board and I think it should just be taken out of the game. This is where I see the most 'fighting', disagreeing, or people getting their feelings hurt. The vent board hardly offers anything to support the game and just is unecessary. The only good I see from the vent boards are peoples 'happy' vents which come around only a few times in a blue moon. So many topics have been deleted and/or locked and it has already been shut down once and brought back in. Maybe something more constructive would be an 'accomplishment' board. I'm not really suggesting a new board but simply saying that maybe vent should be taken away indefinitely. Vent board also gives players a chance to complain about fellow members and that doesn't give a sense of community, especially if they are venting about someone who does look at the forums. I'm not sure who else agrees, but like I said, I see no value in it except for the ocassional happy vents. Yes? No? Other thoughts? EDIT It has also been said that venting on a something most likely won't make it better. Venting usually leads you to talking about it and gets you fired up more on the subject. There's better ways to clear yourself of whatever your venting on in a more constructive way. I don't believe venting helps at times.

Mileysmybaby · October 2010

Yes Im sorry I did a post on there when I was mad. I think a place where you can put funny/happy "vents" would be great

Kazuko · October 2010

I agree. I've grown to really REALLY hate the Vent board.

CallyKats Dachshunds · October 2010

Not going to get too detailed, but this was brought up.. I believe the answer ended up being to just act as if the vent board is not there if you do not wish to read what others have to say about it. I would rather that stay the case, truthfully. I know for a fact that venting helps me, sure I can go onto another forum and vent, but it's just the fact that there's one here, and that most of my online friends (and those that I've great advice) are found here. Anywho, just my two cents on the topic.

I would tryto look for the old thread and link it, but I'm not on the computer.

Kazuko · October 2010

If not delete it entirely, then make it hidden unless you want to join a certain group, like the RP forums? I know I totally judge people based on their vents.

tarnish · October 2010

Kazuko wrote:

If not delete it entirely, then make it hidden unless you want to join a certain group, like the RP forums? I know I totally judge people based on their vents.

Same about the judging. And I'm not just saying it for me. My point is, it has been causing problems and 'fights' and peoples' feelings to be hurt. I could stay away from it all I want but turning a blind eye doesn't really solve anything. I think it's doing more harm than good. [[[[EDIT]]]]

Mysterous Love wrote:

Yes Im sorry I did a post on there when I was mad. I think a place where you can put funny/happy "vents" would be great

I hadn't mentioned any names because I wasn't talking about a specific person, mysterous.

Lonleycarrots · October 2010

I agree there has been sevral fights, sevral things wrong with vents latley. I mean people have been ventingabout venting. But I think its just one of those things people go through, some people are angry and eventully theyll relize they have no vp friends for it. I for one agree with the person above (i think femalevamp) if you hate it *that* much do not click on it. Some of is need it. I dont actully post most of my huge problems, but i know when I have one the first thing I think is "VP" because my friends dont listen because im to "sentimental" and most of its about my family .I like that knowones actully knows me heare in real life, but there are real people on the other end of the line willing to help or give advice, so if your just going to complain about it then do not go there. Some of us need it. And as for judging. I dont really agree with this. I know ive made absolutely ridiculus vents before that I regret, its not diffrent then somone saying something stupid face to face. Sometimes people just snap, so much little things build up, and then it all crumbles and you dont relize how little those things are. A vent section is for venting and frankly most of the people complaing are the ones starting the arguements.

tarnish · October 2010

I was just saying that I personally will judge from what people vent on. I wasn't saying this in regards to everyone who looks at the vents. Everyone does judge though in general!

I for one agree with the person above (i think femalevamp) if you hate it *that* much do not click on it.

Again, this isn't just about me seeing it because I have no problem with it. Im saying is it causes fights and rifts within the vp community. We want this to be fun, not something thats stressful or where you feel like you have to defend yourself.

Some of is need it.

I disagree with this. Vp got along fine for a long time without the vent board. Plenty of players remember when it didn't exist. I've seen issues the moment it's been put up. There is a difference between 'venting' and 'seeking help'. If you feel you absolutely need to talk about something that is going on that is really upsetting you, there are other sources and these sources would be better than people on vp. There are therapists, school counselors, teachers, group therapies, etc etc. I don't believe venting on a kid game is going to give you any help you need. What I said is mainly for big issues. Little issues, I dont see why you cant just maybe talk to one fellow player about it or maybe a close friend. Not everything is needed to be posted that goes bad. And quite frankly, it's not just the people complaining that cause the arguments. Certain vents lead many people to be offended on things. Like I've said, the forum that seems to have the most locked/deleted topics, most fights, and most misunderstandings are from the vent board. Why does a dog game need a vent board? If problems really are that bad for people, go talk to someone in real life that can give you actual help and support. Main point restated: Vent is more harm than good in the long run.

Lonleycarrots · October 2010

tarnish wrote:

I was just saying that I personally will judge from what people vent on. I wasn't saying this in regards to everyone who looks at the vents. Everyone does judge though in general! 

I for one agree with the person above (i think femalevamp) if you hate it *that* much do not click on it.

 Again, this isn't just about me seeing it because I have no problem with it. Im saying is it causes fights and rifts within the vp community. We want this to be fun, not something thats stressful or where you feel like you have to defend yourself. 

Some of is need it.

 I disagree with this. Vp got along fine for a long time without the vent board. Plenty of players remember when it didn't exist. I've seen issues the moment it's been put up. There is a difference between 'venting' and 'seeking help'. If you feel you absolutely need to talk about something that is going on that is really upsetting you, there are other sources and these sources would be better than people on vp. There are therapists, school counselors, teachers, group therapies, etc etc. I don't believe venting on a kid game is going to give you any help you need. What I said is mainly for big issues. Little issues, I dont see why you cant just maybe talk to one fellow player about it or maybe a close friend. Not everything is needed to be posted that goes bad. And quite frankly, it's not just the people complaining that cause the arguments. Certain vents lead many people to be offended on things. Like I've said, the forum that seems to have the most locked/deleted topics, most fights, and most misunderstandings are from the vent board. Why does a dog game need a vent board? If problems really are that bad for people, go talk to someone in real life that can give you actual help and support. Main point restated: Vent is more harm than good in the long run.

As you stated above, talk to a close friend to vent to. Sometimes its about your close friends or you dont have one. As for me, I know all of those things above are crazy because my teacher is crazy, my counsler and if i asked my parents for a therapist? Theyd think something serious was wrong, and go crazy about it. Some of those ooptions arent avaible to people. We feel alone and the VP vent section is a place where real peolpe actully listen to your problems, give advice. Ia gree the vents have been ridiculus, with all the fighst so im 50/50 on the situation, but i still think we should keep it.

Lonleycarrots · October 2010

Also I think most vents shouldnt be replied to if your going to complain, say there wrong, or argue with them on it. A vent is where you get something out, and with people to do that (wich ive done and i do regret) its just plain rude weather it was intented or not. Venting is to let it all go-so let it all go.

tarnish · October 2010

As you stated above, talk to a close friend to vent to. Sometimes its about your close friends or you dont have one. As for me, I know all of those things above are crazy because my teacher is crazy, my counsler and if i asked my parents for a therapist? Theyd think something serious was wrong, and go crazy about it. Some of those ooptions arent avaible to people. We feel alone and the VP vent section is a place where real peolpe actully listen to your problems, give advice. Ia gree the vents have been ridiculus, with all the fighst so im 50/50 on the situation, but i still think we should keep it.

I talk to my close friends if I have a problem with them. I guess people do things differently. And this makes it sound like this is a therapy site. This is a dog site and what you said just makes me thinkg 'support group'. At the same time, people on here may be 'real' but they aren't. Sure, we're actual people but behind computer screens. I think if someone is that desperate to be heard, they need to find actual people. Not to mention, advice on here isn't even valid at times because of the rules about giving your information away. To give good advice, I feel someone would need to know the whole situation. Vp just isn't the place for it in my opinion. I was giving few examples so there are always more options. You can find a way if you truly want help. If you don't want help, its easy to just shoot all ideas down without thinking about it.

Also I think most vents shouldnt be replied to if your going to complain, say there wrong, or argue with them on it. A vent is where you get something out, and with people to do that (wich ive done and i do regret) its just plain rude weather it was intented or not. Venting is to let it all go-so let it all go.

You can't technically let it all go because some things are against the rules prohibiting 'letting it all go' in certain cases. And yes, maybe people shouldn't but in history, when people are offended they make sure they are heard on it. Some people just don't have the control on what to type and most of the time the few people ruin it for everybody. This is just purely my opinion of this and I say its not needed and to do away with it or to go with what kyt said and make it harder to post on there by making you join a group or something similar.

Lonleycarrots · October 2010

hmmm im more and more going on the "anit-vent" side lol. Your a nice debater. I was thinking through "my eyes" what I whould do and I didnt relize there are some weird ppl on here who just dont think. I guess im offically anti-vent.

Kazuko · October 2010

"I guess im offically anti-vent." Good, because in one Vent where I mentioned disliking the Vent boards, and you jumped on me? That pissed me off. Which is WHY the Vent boards are a problem. The Vent boards have turned from "Here are my serious problems" and "Here, let's lol over this stupid hyper stat" to "OMG MY LIIIFE MY LIIIIIIFE! If you don't pity me then GO AWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE A MEANIEHEAD!" I remember when the Vent boards didn't exist. Good times. Now that they DO exist, this has become more of a personal website. It's great to have friends, and it's great to help others. Personally, the ONLY reason I touch the Vent boards is to see if people are having ACTUAL issues that I can relate to, and help with. Not to see someone moaning about how their parents won't buy them x unimportant, material items. Or how x boy is being annoying. Yes, we all get annoyed, yes we all find life unfair at some point or another. No, we don't want to read about someone else's trivial boy/family troubles when we have our own to stress about already. xD

Alabama · October 2010

The vent boards were created to try and keep the annoying "complaint" threads out of general discussion, to separate them so people wouldn't have to read them if they didn't want to, which they have done for the most part. People are going to vent, they are going to complain, whether it's on the vent boards or in GD. That's just the nature of being human beings, some more so than others. Ops don't mind removing the vent boards if you want, one less section for us to have to look through. However, before we do that, we want to make sure you understand people will then vent in GD. Having a separate group, such as for RP, really won't solve the problems pointed out on this thread. People will still complain about trivial things, they will still complain about other players, they may still disrupt the "community". So creating a separate group would most likely be a waste of time. If you all still want it removed, we'll do so.

Lonleycarrots · October 2010

Ahh im sorry Kaz, I didnt mean to jump on you )= I just adore debating and sometimes i come across rude when doing so.

Lonleycarrots · October 2010

Mabey a voting of some sort whould be better? Because most of the peopl involved in this little tiffy are just a few, even though it may seem big. A lot of players arent involved but deserve a say if the board stays or goes.

tarnish · October 2010

totouser wrote:

Mabey a voting of some sort whould be better? Because most of the peopl involved in this little tiffy are just a few, even though it may seem big. A lot of players arent involved but deserve a say if the board stays or goes.

I agree that we should have others say what they would like best. I get what you're saying Bama and now that you do, I remember that reasoning brought up when the vent board was initially created. I still support it being removed but I'd like to know other peoples' thoughts as well. Thank you Bama for taking the time to read and offer us a chance to resolve.

Alabama · October 2010

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NuTsRidgebacks · October 2010

i think it should go. i've never understood why it existed. people that aren't even active players go there to make up stories about how much their life sucks so people will be sympathetic. guess what? if you have enough money to pay at least $100 a month for internet service, life can't be that bad :P . we have pet stories and photos-that is relevant to this game. venting about friend a(who we shall call susie, but that isn't her real name) and friend b (bob, also not his real name) is freaking annoying, and honestly who cares? it has nothing to do with this game. this is a dog game, and if you have friends on this game, cool. vent to them via messenger.

Celia_1234321 · October 2010

I, personally, Like the vent board. I don't do alot of venting but i like reading it and being able to help people out. I agree with whom ever said if you dont want to read it/ dont like it pretend like its not there. Maybe we should make it so that after a certain amount of time vents are deleted, and only one vent per person per week or something? I think VP has alot more important things to deal with that a vent board. Also i wanna say i love the trivia night idea

tarnish · October 2010

Celia_1234321 wrote:

I think VP has alot more important things to deal with that a vent board.

The vent boards can affect a sense of community. And to be honest, this isn't taking up much of anyones time and this is certainly not clogging up the owner's duties. If the board were to be deleted, it would take only a few seconds. And I'm not sure what these 'more important' things are because nothing is really -dire- atm. Anything from here on out would just be simple improvements, like this possibly.

Lonleycarrots · October 2010

Ok even though im 50, 50 on the sunbject I say keep it. Personally, I think that if you dont "click" the vent board, you wont even notice these issues.

Young_Native · October 2010

I don't think she's actually talking about clicking the vent board, guys. =] It doesn't really matter if you click on it or such, but you would still hear about it in chat or simple VP rumors. It causes more drama from what I've seen which easily disrupts the peace the Virtualpup players have. It can permanently make people get on the wrong sides of each other over something small and simple as venting about Animal Shelters and such. Venting, from what happens to me and what I see, gets me even more fired up than before and causes more flailing for me than was needed which I could've prevented. The vent board just seems more like a place where small fights happen and where the most of the community gets the wrong idea about people, because in your stress/anger/sadness, people can sound rather...interesting to say the least, I know that I do. I sound pathetic when I whine, personal opinion there. If the vent board is removed, it won't stop people from messaging each other other, friends, for advice. I can probably say it's better since your friends understand and such. It can also improve friendship. (Kaitie

) That's all I have to say. =] The vent board just doesn't do much good and people either get their feelings hurt or start bitter rivalries. In some vents, the advice given is usually thrown to the side without consideration.

siebs2010 · October 2010

Kazuko wrote:

If not delete it entirely, then make it hidden unless you want to join a certain group, like the RP forums? I know I totally judge people based on their vents.

LOL! Kaz xD I try not to judge when I read vent things, if I feel the topic is going to get to heated or I do not agree with what they're saying, then I won't post. That's really the attitude people should have when reading vents. But I have posted on there and I've been judged for thinking a certain way and told I was wrong ;] So yes. I think that vent should be taken down, not because it's bad to have up, but because it causes unneeded tension between players. Because when you read a vent, that's exactly what it is. A vent. A way that person is feeling at the time, may not be how they feel all the time. Something may have set them off that day, and a lot of the time.. us vpians are VERY outspoken, and LOVE to get our own points across and tell the other(s) how they're wrong ;] And. A lot of the time? I would rather go to someone on VP chat to talk to about my problem(s), why? Because the ones I do talk to, understand, and HELP me. I'm not anti vent, but I'm also not for it. Honestly, half the time I would rather go to Bratimus, or Kaz or Rhyme or Sarah or anyone who is on VP chat all the time and talk to them about something. I like the security that, usually they won't judge me or they'll just tell me how stupid I'm being about a subject, OR they'll open my eyes and show me reality. They aren't afraid to tell me how it is and I would much rather have it that way - rather than have someone agree with me on everything.

The vent board just seems more like a place where small fights happen and where the most of the community gets the wrong idea about people, because in your stress/anger/sadness, people can sound rather...interesting to say the least, I know that I do. I sound pathetic when I whine, personal opinion there. That's all I have to say. =] The vent board just doesn't do much good and people either get their feelings hurt or start bitter rivalries. In some vents, the advice given is usually thrown to the side without consideration.

I agree with this completely. Sometimes vent is kind of helpful, but a lot of the time it causes unneeded drama - and that is something that a lot of us come to the game to get away from. But that's just my two cents ;]

Celia_1234321 · October 2010

tarnish wrote:

Celia_1234321 wrote:

I think VP has alot more important things to deal with that a vent board. 

 The vent boards can affect a sense of community. And to be honest, this isn't taking up much of anyones time and this is certainly not clogging up the owner's duties. If the board were to be deleted, it would take only a few seconds. And I'm not sure what these 'more important' things are because nothing is really -dire- atm. Anything from here on out would just be simple improvements, like this possibly.

People will still vent and this way, if you dont wanna read it you know where it is so you don't have to. When i say VP has more important things to do, i also mean in the the future. I sure people will complain about the GD having vents and other things. I think we should just leave it the way it is d: I do understand that the vents can be annoying. But those post will probably just get moved into the GD. If we get rid of then a few rules against venting should be made. (:

Young_Native · October 2010

That's a good idea but then there would be the controversy over what should be considered a vent or not. Like what Hobs says, we come online to usually escape drama and stress. I'm sure there will be vents in the General Discussion but I'm sure people will find others to help them during the time. Also to take into consideration, most posts would be ignored on there probably or drowned out with other posts so nobody would have to see. Vents overall are completely stressful, for the writer and reader. Now these days, it just seems like the vents are a place to just debate over which sounds more correct than the other. I hope when the vent board is removed it'll discourage vents. I'm not against venting, SOMETIMES it's helpful, but that's only valid for me is when I'm venting to Kaitie. If someone has something that's urging them, I say go to a friend over PM or a family member or someone you can trust. VP players have their own opinions and their advice is usually bias. With that said, several people with opinionated advice can get you confused and such. People who know you should only give you advice at the best because they can relate with what you're going through. The vent board...it's as stable as Yahoo Answers. General Discussion, hopefully, will not come the alternative vent board because I don't think the vents would fit in there or get the recognition for being there. If you have friends of VP, which most do, they should consult them because that's better than having the public poke at it and the possibility of someone disagreeing with the vent and causing an uproar.

SunnyDaysDontLie · October 2010

I kinda agree with Tarn on the fact that it gets you more fired up, but sometimes it helps you see the other sides of the story, because VPians would comment "Well maybe...-situation-, so they -vent topic-"..

Young_Native · October 2010

o_o I'm sorry Sunny but your last part confused me. xD

Evlon · October 2010

You know I'm not active on here any more and I STILL hear complaining about the vent board on the forums here... on other sites... that's actually really lame :< And seriously I remember when there was no vent board, yeah every so often some one would post on the general discussion but it didn't seem like it was encouraged or anything, it seems like it is now. And really when I need to vent I post it in a place that it may be read by 2 or 3 people, and I disable the comments. I just let it out, feel silly the next day and delete it. Your vent board is just the cause of a lot of drama I see. Especially when you have people making rather rude post talking about a player they have come to have a dispute with, and then said player tries to defend themselves, and the poster's friends defend them, and it just goes back and forth. It helps VP fall apart even more, something you really do not need. I know life is not all rainbows and roses, but really there are a lot better places and ways to vent about life. Most of you have animals, try talking to them, because most of the time you just need to tell some one all the problems and issues your having, and you don't need feed back so much as to just let it out of your system so it doesn't fester. /end

RoyalRaccoon · October 2010

Rather than remove it entirely, why not make an informational sticky in the vent section of the forums that contains suggestions(not rules) for avoiding fights/using the vent section? See how that works for a little while, and then make a decision on whether or not the vent section should be removed. From my perspective, the problem is not the vent section, it's the people using it. If you gave(or at least showed) everyone the skills on how to appropriately communicate(all ages can learn them), then there would be less fights(we are human, so you can't stop it entirely). In my opinion It's worth a shot, rather than the all-or-nothing solution currently suggested for dealing with the vent section. In the end, if people ignore the suggestions, and fights routinely happen, then you will have full reason to get rid of the vent section.

Alabama · October 2010

Looks like vent section will stay.. If someone wishes to put together a "guide" type thing about etiquette for vents, we'll see about stickying it in the vent section.

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