New ops?

lilly waters · July 2010

I just thought with all the new updates and changes happening to vp, we should also get new ops. Alot of the ops now are very busy, its actually super hard to find anyone open to MM for you. I've asked, and I've been told to wait a few weeks. But the person who is getting me a upgrade cant, so instead I get the kennel. And then when you want your kennel name changed (happened to someone I know), they cant do it cause it wasnt through MM. So we need more ops that are actual players of vp and are super into it. They need to know alot about the game and be on regularly to MM for people. I know alot of people share my thoughts as I have discussed this with others, just no one wanted to bring it up. Who else shares my idea of getting new ops?

Alabama · July 2010

I don't know who you've been asking, but the longest I've ever asked anyone to wait for me to Op is a couple hours while I have dinner or spend time with my family. Well, I do think I sent someone to VooDoo once because I had a couple different MM deals going at the same time and I knew she had time. In fact, no one has asked me to MM a deal in over a week at least. There hasn't been anyone MM a deal in a couple days. I know VooDoo, Paper, Hawk, Ori, Jelly and Ana are all active, but no one's asking them to MM. To be honest, we probably have too many Ops. Even though I'm home most of the day, there's very little for me to do on VP as far as Oping goes. Other Ops sometimes harass me because I get a lot of the tickets and am always spotting trouble because I am on so much, leaving them with very little to do as well.

lilly waters · July 2010

Alabama wrote:

I don't know who you've been asking, but the longest I've ever asked anyone to wait for me to Op is a couple hours while I have dinner or spend time with my family. Well, I do think I sent someone to VooDoo once because I had a couple different MM deals going at the same time and I knew she had time. In fact, no one has asked me to MM a deal in over a week at least. There hasn't been anyone MM a deal in a couple days. I know VooDoo, Paper, Hawk, Ori, Jelly and Ana are all active, but no one's asking them to MM. To be honest, we probably have too many Ops. Even though I'm home most of the day, there's very little for me to do on VP as far as Oping goes. Other Ops sometimes harass me because I get a lot of the tickets and am always spotting trouble because I am on so much, leaving them with very little to do as well.

Well this wasnt recent for me, it was a few months ago? But I know one of my friends had that problem so. I know some people have problems with some of the ops on here, and as of that many players have left. Most agree with me we need new fresh blood ops, we need chnage with all the other updates going on. Im just stating the problems I have that I seem to have, and what other people have been troubles. Maybe you have to many, but its the whole point as to say we need new things in order to get new people to come to the site. Maybe oping isnt big and alot ot do, but it seems like alot of people have been having troubles. I guess possibly some people dont like a few of the ops and they ask one they do like, and that one tells them they are busy. So then they decide it isnt worth it to go to the ones they dont like? Im just wondering who else agrees that fresh ops would be good.

tarnish · July 2010

Maybe not even full ops but maybe there could be something like forum moderators? With the forum updated, it seems like that could be a good deal? Maybe just even 1-2, or maybe when traffic picks up? Seems like ops are on more now because of the new owners and because its summer, but I imagine that once school starts and more people are busy with college or other things, we may need more? I'm not sure new ops are needed at the moment but maybe in the future if more members join.

lilly waters · July 2010

tarnish wrote:

Maybe not even full ops but maybe there could be something like forum moderators? With the forum updated, it seems like that could be a good deal? Maybe just even 1-2, or maybe when traffic picks up? Seems like ops are on more now because of the new owners and because its summer, but I imagine that once school starts and more people are busy with college or other things, we may need more? I'm not sure new ops are needed at the moment but maybe in the future if more members join.

I like your suguestion tarn! yes, I know when it gets time for school and all, not as many ops are on and we could possibly need more. Well, they said they were doing something about getting more members? So why cant they start to "train" more ops or whatever now? I mean then they are ready when the traffic comes in?

Heartless Riku · July 2010

I agree with tarn.

CallyKats Dachshunds · July 2010

I like tarn's idea.

Alabama · July 2010

You listed the reason you thought new Ops were needed was because of MM problems. That's what I was responding to. If it was a problem a few months back, I don't think it's problem now, so I don't feel that that's a legitimate reason to add new Ops now. If the problems are personal between a player and an Op, that's something different. If players are having trouble with one or two or three Ops, there are at least 3 others they shouldn't be having problems with. If the problem is with all the Ops or all but one, maybe the problem isn't personal so much as it with the rules we have to enforce, I don't know. If it's with the rules, those can be changed. We have a pretty wide variety of personalities in our Ops, sometimes our own personalities even clash amongst us sometimes, so it can be expected that there's going to be personality clashes with some players. However, it doesn't seem very likely that a player would have personality clashes with every Op or even a majority of the Ops. I can't think of one of us that has had a player report them to another Op and it be discussed in a way that creates bad feelings toward that player. I've had an Op reported to me and I discussed it directly with Nef, not even with any of the other Ops, not even those I do consider friends. What happened after that was between Nef and that Op and/or that player. Most of the Ops we have now try very hard to not let things get personal or feel personal and I think that may be why some may feel like we aren't involved or don't care or what have you. I know there's been instances when I've gotten involved in a situation and started to feel it getting out of hand or that I was being personally attacked and asked another Op to take over. I know I've stepped in when other Ops have started getting too upset, taking things too personally. And we do discuss Op actions that may have been too over the top or what have you. Maybe the players have this idea that it's "Us versus Them" or that the Ops are one unit. We aren't. Some of the Ops aren't what I would classify as my friends, in that I would tell them my problems or discuss personal problems with, a couple of them even rub me the wrong way most of the time. We are individuals and we can dispute things rather vehemently amongst ourselves on occasion. However, at some point, we have to all agree to follow what the majority of the Ops and the owners feel is best for the game on the whole or in a certain situation. If one Op disagrees with the rest, we still have to all be on the same page. That one Op can't go do what they feel like just because they don't agree. And neither can they discuss it with other players. That's one of our first rules. What happens among Ops stays there, it doesn't go to the players. The reason for this is to keep bickering to a minimum, to try and maintain a certain stability concerning the relationship between Ops and players. We don't want an Op to have bad feelings against another Op and go to players saying the other Op is worthless and shouldn't be an Op, that undermines the entire credibility of all the Ops. Too many of us have been burned because people we felt/thought/respected as friends thought they should be able to skirt the rules or have their infractions ignored because they were our friends. The moment we had to point out their mistake, we lost friends. And in some instances, just being close friends with a player or a certain group of players leaves us open to accusations of preferential treatment, true or not, which leads to hard feelings. So, the majority of us try to keep at least a public distance between us and our in game friends. And I guarantee whoever/whenever another Op is added, there's going to be hard feelings and people are going to feel slighted, abused and mistreated, no matter who is selected. And any new Op is going to have to abide by the same rules we do. If we don't think they can, we can't make them an Op because when they are de-oped, there's going to be a LOT of hard feelings all over the game. But just my opinion is that adding more Ops isn't going to solve the problems. In fact, adding more Ops is going to create more problems as far as trying to keep track that power abuse isn't happening, that Ops aren't bending the rules for some or being too hard on others and just basic getting all the Ops together to keep everyone on the same page as far as changes, problems, issues, etc. Especially now, while changes are being made behind the scenes, sometimes on a daily basis. That said, admin2 and admin1 both said in virtual pups chat, when they were announced as the new owners, that they'd look into adding new ops once the major fixes were made in game. Trying to keep track of and fix problems is hard enough and they don't know the players enough to know who would be a good Op and who wouldn't. They've been too busy trying to fix things to have a chance to get to know players outside of what they read on the forums and the problems they've handled with tickets. I think I've been long winded enough, so I'll just stop since I feel like I could go on for several more paragraphs. Of course, my opinion isn't all that matters and neither is all the opinions of the Ops put together, so feel free to discuss it.

Alabama · July 2010

Okay, so my long winded speech allowed others to post in the meantime, so I have to continue.

Part of the reason for having the new forums is to help Ops. The admin abilities of this forum is a far cry better than it was on the old forums, so our jobs are easier. It also makes it easier for players to help us with report features and being able to ignore those posters whom they might have problems with. This means the physical manpower needed is actually less than it was last week even. In chat, if an Op gives a warning or bans, they have to have Op access on the forums as well because this is where we keep track of and give the reasons and proof when someone gets infraction points, so if there's a question directly to the owners or another Op, everyone can see why and if it was really justified. We have discussed ways to try and do a "half-op" or just op on certain parts of the game. The problem is that though the forum is separate from chat which is separate from the game, they are all still tied together. There really is no way to give someone only partial access. It has to be all or none. We've also discussed some kind of limited power Op, the problem being there's no way to limit power right now, but maybe in the future, when admin1 and admin2 have the game settled and ready to do updates.

^Oriyana^ · July 2010

As far as MM'ing the only issues I've had is when people have come to me in advance and asked me to mm, but the other player isn't on at the time. I can't fortell the future, and can't guarantee that I will be able to be on when both players are ready :P If I'm online and at the computer, and the deal is ready to go through, I will most likely agree to MM

In regards to issues with ops, as far as I know, I don't think I have any issues with any players. If a player has issues with me please come and talk to me as it is most likely a misunderstanding and I would like to get it solved

lilly waters · July 2010

I understand everyones opinions and their long winded speaches :P If admin1 and admin2 were going to get new ops as chnages were updates, then my idea isnt to far off, and it seems like they dont believe it will cause more problems, and only help. As for the person reasons with ops, I dont have any problems personally. But I know some people on the vp community have had troubles before they have talked to another op. Nothing was ever done about it, and they decided to leave. If people are leaveing because nothing is being done, then shouldnt something happen to fix this? I thought we wanted more people on vp... As for the whole being banned/kicked things on chat, I once was banned for saying a webiste not related to vp by accident. Of course I knew what was wrong and why, but as you said you are supposed to get a e-mail or whatever, even a pm saying, why you were banned. I never recived that notification at all. Lately I have been having problems with vp as nothing seems to be getting to my e-mail as the new owners have taken over. I dont know if thats just because of updates or not, but it seems everything is getting to the fact that most people dont need to know bases. I mean with the whole new owners thing was crazy. Most of us felt very left out, but still had to give our money to someone new when we didnt even realise. It would have been nice to know everything before then money address was changed etc. But of course thats not really up to the ops desision. Certain ops have actually started to get into things with other players on differnt websites other then vp. People have their opinions and if they want to share it on another site, then they should be able to. I know it would be nice if they came forth and said it here on vp, but in truth they are scared because they feel that they will be chewed alive, and nothing would ever come of it. Which I believe is true, because the ops are all on the same page in that issue, but yet the players feel cheated and lied to. Of course, Im not trying to argue you at all, Im just venting what I have seen and what I believe.

Garnet · July 2010

I see what Tarn is getting at 0.0 With school, more "Ops" would be busy, but on the other hand, with the majority of the VP community being younger aged kids, wouldn't there be less people online period, therefore canceling the need for more Ops? I personally have many computer classes at school. When I log in while at school, there are VERY few people online. This year I'll have even more computer classes and I'll most likely pass my time here on VP. In the end, it all comes down to admin1 & admin2 right? What they decide is best for this community? In many ways, VP is like one giant family. We have the older kids, the younger kids, the kids that are close and friendly, then the kids that don't really get along with their older/younger brother/sister, yet we all work side by side and thrive in the same community/household. And who looks over us? Our lovely "brothers/sisters" (Ops) and our wonderful "parents" (Ari & Nate) So why not think of ourselves this way sometimes and realize that maybe what we "want" isn't always what we "need" (Ex. More Ops). =)

Aziu · July 2010

If players have concerns, it is good to bring them to our attention. We are not mind readers, so if something's "wrong" we may not know until someone lets us know about it. I know I would appreciate anyone who has a personal issue with me to let me know via PM so we can resolve any hard feelings.

As far as MMing is concerned, I have not received a request from a player in probably a month or more - maybe as far back as May. Sometimes things come up: school, work, emergencies, etc. The problem with getting new Ops in, is that they would be subject to the same stresses. So there would be more Ops than ever (which, as previously stated, would create more work in terms of making sure all are on the same page) but the service, I believe, would remain the same. What I am seeing is that support tickets are being handled in a timely manner, many of us are available to MM even if players are not taking us up on the offer, and problems are dealt with swiftly and fairly. Adding more Ops, and taking the time to train them, would be inefficient for the (as Bama mentioned) small workload we are presented with.

Alabama · July 2010

Please don't think I'm picking on you, I'm not. I know some of these questions have been raised before or comments made before, so sorta wanted to get them out there for everyone to see. You just happen to be the one who made them public. Thank you for bringing them up.

lilly waters wrote:

 If admin1 and admin2 were going to get new ops as chnages were updates, then my idea isnt to far off, and it seems like they dont believe it will cause more problems, and only help.

From the chat conversation

[22:39] <Avla> Some people are wanting to know if new Ops will be added once admin1 and admin2 take over? [22:39] <04@Ahkahna> Patience [22:39] <04@Nefertete> I think that will be played by ear [22:39] <04@Nate> avla not at the current time but agree with nef 04[22:39] <04@Nefertete> for example if one of you players shows that you are the right stuff, we may promote you, and that is a new op! [22:39] <04@Nate> we'll make that decision with the ops team and shannon [22:40] <04@Nefertete> of course I say this stuff to keep you on good behavior don't mind me [22:40] <04@Jelleh> lmao [22:40] <04@Jelleh> Tis good bribery though xP 01[22:40] <04@Bama> If the question is directed if outside people will be made Ops, outside of admin1 and Nate, no, there are no "new" people being made Ops [22:41] <04@Nefertete> depends how many insane ops they have elsewhere I imagine.

So there is no guarantee that there will be new ops, only that they'll play it by ear, once they take over. Their full take over of the game is probably still months off.

lilly waters wrote:

As for the person reasons with ops, I dont have any problems personally. But I know some people on the vp community have had troubles before they have talked to another op. Nothing was ever done about it, and they decided to leave. If people are leaveing because nothing is being done, then shouldnt something happen to fix this? I thought we wanted more people on vp...

How recent was this? I would also just like to caution folks to not believe everything that's said or at the least take into consideration when listening to someone else, that they are most likely unhappy with the situation and may not be seeing the entire picture. Ops can't discuss situations with players outside what's going on, because it wouldn't be fair for us to give private information about another player to a third party. IE, if you got into trouble, would you want Ops to post to someone else or to the public why you got into trouble? So if someone says nothing was done, perhaps something was, it just wasn't the outcome that they wanted. People, on the whole, also have a tendency to magnify things if it gets them attention. We wouldn't be able to tell you if it was or not. If they left because they didn't get the response they wanted, that is certainly their right. It doesn't mean though that nothing was done. Has anyone had a problem with an Op recently and attempted to contact Ari, admin2 or Nef with that problem?

lilly waters wrote:

As for the whole being banned/kicked things on chat, I once was banned for saying a webiste not related to vp by accident. Of course I knew what was wrong and why, but as you said you are supposed to get a e-mail or whatever, even a pm saying, why you were banned. I never recived that notification at all.

No, I don't think I said there was an e-mail or pm sent. There is no e-mail or pm sent to a player when they are banned unless they message us first. When someone is banned, the reason for the ban is put in the exit message the player gets when they are kicked from chat. Most of the time, we don't know who a player is in game or on the forums. Even with well known players, unless you use the same nick all the time in chat or use the same nick as is your player name in game and on the forums, chances are we wouldn't know where to send the message, if it was to be sent. If it can't be enforced on all, then it can't be enforced on a handful. We can't say only if you're well known will you get a message if you get banned. That is why Ops keep a record in the Op section of the forums and why any sort of limited Op would need Op access to both chat and forums. If a player doesn't understand why they were banned or if they want to dispute the ban, they can message any Op or the owners (without having to worry about "confronting" the op who banned) and the Ops/owners can look up the reason and see the log to try and explain to the player or to discuss it with the other Ops about getting it turned around or how it may have been handled better. We've been doing this since the infraction point system was put in place. That system was put in place just for this reason, that Ops have to record the reason why and, if it's required that a warning be given, that it's given. Not all bans require a warning. Such as with posting a "banned" websites, using foul language, etc, most times it's an automatic kick/ban by the bot.

lilly waters wrote:

Lately I have been having problems with vp as nothing seems to be getting to my e-mail as the new owners have taken over. I dont know if thats just because of updates or not, but it seems everything is getting to the fact that most people dont need to know bases. I mean with the whole new owners thing was crazy. Most of us felt very left out, but still had to give our money to someone new when we didnt even realise. It would have been nice to know everything before then money address was changed etc. But of course thats not really up to the ops desision.

I'm not sure what the problem with your e-mail is, perhaps if you put a ticket in, admin1 or admin2 can help you figure it out. The entire owners thing was mostly unnecessary and overly dramatic, in my personal opinion. If your bank sells the mortage on your house, they are not required to get your permission or to tell you, in fact, they most likely won't tell you they have been bought out. The only way you might know is that the new mortage holder will send you a new payment book so the payments go to their own billing department and unless you can refinance your mortage, there is nothing you can do about it. For example, I can buy out my ex-husband's mortage from his bank and there wouldn't be a darn thing he could do about it except refinance the mortage and pay me off or send me the house payments, otherwise I could foreclose on his house. From my personal point of view, that kind of blowup over the new ownership would have had happened whenever the players were told, that's just how humans are. If the new owners were announced the day the money exchanged hands, the complaint would have been why weren't we told new owners were coming. If players were told the moment a sales contract was given to Nef, it would have been why weren't we told the game was being sold. Change of any kind scares them or just flat out pisses them off. Maybe Ari, admin2 and Nef were hoping to avoid the situation until after Ari's wedding or after the forums were updated when a lot of the hectic fixing things would be over. Maybe they were afraid that the players were very loyal to Nef and that if it were announced, people would leave the game because they thought she was leaving as well. Nef is still considered, at least by Ops, as one of the owners. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, I'm not in on the financial/legal side of things. But in every day situations ownership of the game hasn't really changed hands so much as been shared, so perhaps they felt the necessity to announce new owners when in reality, Nef hadn't gone anywhere, wasn't so great that it was worth upsetting the players until players got used to seeing them around.

lilly waters wrote:

Certain ops have actually started to get into things with other players on differnt websites other then vp. People have their opinions and if they want to share it on another site, then they should be able to. I know it would be nice if they came forth and said it here on vp, but in truth they are scared because they feel that they will be chewed alive, and nothing would ever come of it. Which I believe is true, because the ops are all on the same page in that issue, but yet the players feel cheated and lied to.

Let me quote again the part of that that kinda gets to me. I was one of those posting on another website

lilly waters wrote:

People have their opinions and if they want to share it on another site, then they should be able to.

Why is it that Ops cannot have an opinion? Why can't Ops post those opinions on other sites as long as they are not sharing specific player information? We can read those other sites, but we can't post on them? People certainly can and do post their opinions on other sites, there's no way for us to stop them. It's their right to defame us, accuse us, spread incorrect information but we aren't supposed to have the right to answer or protect ourselves because it's on a different public site? On other sites, we are not Ops, we cannot make the rules there, we cannot enforce rules there. On other sites, the ground is somewhat leveled, perhaps with the Ops being the ones without power. Why should someone feel more threatened being answered by an Op on another site than if we didn't answer? We can still read it, answering it doesn't change what they already posted for everyone to read. There are many times Ops would love to post on a topic on these forums, to explain things, but we can't do that without being accused of being overbearing or unfair. We don't have the same rights here as the players do because we are Ops. Everything we do and say is weighed and measured and if it doesn't seem to add up, we'll be crucified by the players, though if a player were in the same position, we'd be protecting them, we can't protect ourselves. If we do try to enforce the rules everyone, including Ops, have to abide by when a player is expressing an opinion about the Ops, we're being unfair power abusers, as I feel is being implied when others' claim they would be chewed alive for having an opinion. I thought twice and three times before posting on this topic and when I decided to, reread my post half a dozen times and asked someone else to proofread it as well in an attempt to make sure what I was saying shouldn't be taken in an aggressive way or that I was attacking anyone. How many players have to do that? Players can post pretty much what they want, within the rules, and not have to worry about repercussions. I think a lot of the problems in the past with players feeling they can't post is because they or a friend posted personal things, call out other players by name or broke one of the other rules and then fibbed to someone else about how/why they got in trouble for it and the story, as well as the bad feelings surrounding the situation grew out of proportion. (How would you feel to visit the forums and see a well known player calling you a liar or a thief? What if you didn't understand a rule and another player accused you in main chat of breaking it purposely to try and scam other players? What if a well known player was making fun of you in a not so fun way? Wouldn't you want an Op to step in and stop it? Wouldn't you expect an Op to do something about it? I know some of the situations that caused some of those players to leave, were situations where a well known player was publicly accusing another player or publicly fighting with another player or breaking some other well established and documented rule and Ops stepped in to make it stop. And then, because we can't discuss specific situations with players outside the situation, not even on another site, the well known player can go around accusing us of being unfair and we can't do a darn thing about it. We can't tell our side of it, so they can embellish, dramatize and flat out lie about it and all we can do is watch it and let other players get swept up in it. And we can't say or do anything because once again, it would be unfair for us to share private information with a third party even on a site outside of Virtual Pups. And I've probably already said more than I should have, so I'm stopping. Just irritates me that I can't warn other players that the person they are believing isn't being honest. That's not to say that some of those players don't have legitimate complaints, but I don't know about those as I've not been told and so haven't investigated.) Ops have to pretty much watch very carefully everything they say/are going to say on any halfway serious subject before posting. And even then, at some point, someone will feel offended/insulted and again it'll be said that Ops shouldn't post their opinions on the forums because we're supposed to be fair and impartial and not have opinions here. And once again we are in the catch .22.. If we are personable and have opinions and are more player friendly, we're being unfair or showing favortism to someone. If we try to be impartial and not have opinions and not take sides, we aren't connecting with the players and they feel uncomfortable.

lilly waters wrote:

Of course, Im not trying to argue you at all, Im just venting what I have seen and what I believe.

I feel the same way. I don't think you are trying to argue, just maybe get some answers not just for you, but for others as well. I hope you can take what I have to say in that way as well. I'm not trying to argue, just to explain my personal position.

lilly waters · July 2010

As for what you said about how recent the situation with someone leaving was, it was actually about 2 weeks ago, adnd they were fed up with no one doing anything about ho they felt or what not. I'm not going to say any names though. As for banns and kicks, I believe it said on the chat rules on the old chat link thingy that you could access from virtualpups that there would be a e-mail sent. But maybe I am mistaken. Accorind to the whole new owner drama, I believe it did get a little out of hand. But in some cases people were right to be conserned. Here where I live, its the law to tell someone if their company is quiting, moving, or even selling to someone else. If it has to do with money then you must let your clients know. I realise its just a game and all, but its kinda "dishonest" to (maybe thats not the right wording but oh well), to change where the money is going without leting the players know. From my point of view, if admin1 and admin2 wanted to wait till after the wedding, I dont believe the address should have chnaged till then. Even if the money was sent to admin1 and admin2 from nef, it would have felt batter to me. I mean Im glad we have new owners that are really into looking at the site and Im already looking at new updates, but there was just something about it that rubed people the wrong way and I can see why. As for posting on other sites, I didnt say ops didnt have the right. I was stateing that a certain thing I saw, was a op actually getting into it with another player, and actually bringing up issues and names that I dont think ops should have said because as you say they have to keep personal issues quiet. I would be fine if they had just posted and just defended themselves. But the fact they told of other peoples issues and tickets, and secrets. Plus that they attacked the player, and then told them that this was not the place to post any of this and to go to vp and post, or the op would report you on that certain site. It seemed like the player didnt have any opinions. And Im glad Im not coming off "argueing" as I do sometimes in rl life do, and I wastrying to make my messages sound as nice as I could.

ChibiWerewolf · July 2010

I get this exactly. I don't figure there aren't enough operators. I think we have a good amount, and if you think about it, how as the game changed really? It has not gotten bigger. It just seems like it's getting cosmetic makeovers, which may feel like a major change, but really is not. Depends also on who your going to for a MM, you may go to one and they're busy, but there are many more Ops to ask. I've heard about a lot of people with Op issues, because they clash and whatnot and I think if there are those problems, then more Ops should not be added because it would expand the problem. I usually only go to Voodoo when I have an issue, and that always seems to work. *shrug* Not to mention, who would you even want as an Operator? I highly, highly doubt that they would chose a player like you or me, but would find someone who was an impartial adult who is not from Virtualpups. But what do I know? This just my opinion, like I said, I'm not 100% sure what this is all about.

lilly waters · July 2010

Chibi Werewolf wrote:

I get this exactly. I don't figure there aren't enough operators. I think we have a good amount, and if you think about it, how as the game changed really? It has not gotten bigger. It just seems like it's getting cosmetic makeovers, which may feel like a major change, but really is not. Depends also on who your going to for a MM, you may go to one and they're busy, but there are many more Ops to ask. I've heard about a lot of people with Op issues, because they clash and whatnot and I think if there are those problems, then more Ops should not be added because it would expand the problem. I usually only go to Voodoo when I have an issue, and that always seems to work. *shrug* Not to mention, who would you even want as an Operator? I highly, highly doubt that they would chose a player like you or me, but would find someone who was an impartial adult who is not from Virtualpups. But what do I know? This just my opinion, like I said, I'm not 100% sure what this is all about.

Well I get the whole impartial adult not from vp, but it would have to be someone from the game, because they would know all about the game. As nef and admin1 and admin2 said it would be a player that showed amazing behavior. I get what your saying about it would cause more problems, but so has any chnages that have been made so far.

Jellybeanjoe · July 2010

With MMing, the last time I was asked was a month or more ago - in that case I did have to ask the players to find another Op as I was unfortunately in the middle of my Uni exams. Apart from that, I haven't been asked, and therefore can't MM anything

I'm on chat daily, here on the Forums and in game, and I've had no one approach me needing an MM

Do I think we need more Ops? No. If anything we've got slightly more than necessary. What I DO think we need to do is make Ops more accessible/easier to find in game. That is the main problem I think

lilly waters · July 2010

Jellybeanjoe wrote:

With MMing, the last time I was asked was a month or more ago - in that case I did have to ask the players to find another Op as I was unfortunately in the middle of my Uni exams. Apart from that, I haven't been asked, and therefore can't MM anything I'm on chat daily, here on the Forums and in game, and I've had no one approach me needing an MM Do I think we need more Ops? No. If anything we've got slightly more than necessary. What I DO think we need to do is make Ops more accessible/easier to find in game. That is the main problem I think

That might be a issue. But I dont exactly know how you would make them easier to find but of course Im glad thats not my job :P

Jellybeanjoe · July 2010

Well, making us appear to everyone who looks for online players would be a start I reckon

I reckon maybe a link under Help that links players to all Op kennels would also be highly helpful

My thoughts at least xD

lilly waters · July 2010

Jellybeanjoe wrote:

Well, making us appear to everyone who looks for online players would be a start I reckon I reckon maybe a link under Help that links players to all Op kennels would also be highly helpful My thoughts at least xD

Maybe, possibly a way to click "ops online", incase they need to MM or something.

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