Irresponsible Breeders.

BuffyBoarding · May 2010

So long story short... I went to my aunt's last weekend and a coworker of hers came over with the tiniest puppy ever... I asked the lady how old the pup was and she told me just over a week... I was like, Wow he's little... So she then says that her sister is giving them away... I was like "when their weaned right?" she goes, "they're already weaned" WOW. No week old puppy is weaned! The idiot then proceeds to bring a female puppy to my aunt as a present. My aunt asks if the woman will take it back to the mother for a couple weeks and the coworker says her sister doesn't want them and will just give it away to someone else... So needless to say, my aunt is bottle feeding the pup until it is actually old enough to eat on her own. She is quite adorable though (terrier mix. maybe some Chihuahua) It just pisses me off that people will let a dog have a litter and then give them away so young. Anyone who doesn't know how to take care of the pups... the pups will surely die if they haven't already >.< -buffy :x

JayMay7 · May 2010

Wow, that is extremely too young to be weaned! There's just no way. I'm sorry for that pup, but i'm sure your aunt will take good care of her.

RoyalRaccoon · May 2010

I'd contact animal services immediately and file a complaint(anonymous if you want) about it. Some states actually make it illegal for anyone to sell or give away puppies that young. If they end up in the wrong hands the pups will just die.

BuffyBoarding · May 2010

I contacted animal services and they told me this: "It was wrong of her to do, but what do you expect us to do? Track her down, I think not. I'm sorry but we just don't have the time for all the silly complaints such as this."

Garnet · May 2010

That's ridiculous. Isn't it their job to go out there and take the animals or something? Those poor puppies. They don't stand a chance being so tiny! D=

BuffyBoarding · May 2010

That is what I was asking animal services. But they have "more important" things to be dealing with... I have no idea about the other pups, but my aunt's and Gabby's (the coworkers) will live. They're being bottle fed every few hours and are doing really good. I don't have a picture of them together but I do have a picture of my aunt's i shall upload it...

Kaylynncov · May 2010

Thats so sad

I know that pups arent ready to go until like 5 or 6 weeks, but 1 week is obsurd. At least its good to know that you saved two of them.

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2010

That's horrible buffers... )): Makes me feel horrible, and I would complain to the cops about AC, even though it probably wouldn't do anything. lol But really..that's ridiculous. and btw, kmcov-it's 8 weeks until they're fully ready to leave their mother and other pups.

BuffyBoarding · May 2010

Here she is: <img src="http://i47.tinypic.com/33yqtyr.jpg"; alt="http://i47.tinypic.com/33yqtyr.jpg"; class="bb-image" /> I wish I had a pic of both her and the boy together, she's much bigger than he is actually. They were so covered in fleas when we got them, it was ridiculous. >.<

kaycov · May 2010

oh she is so cute

ImportsandLines · May 2010

Wow! Animal Control should definitely do something. One of my friends cousin got a 5 day old puppy from someone. They are bottle feeding to.

Garnet · May 2010

femalevamp14 wrote:

 and btw, kmcov-it's 8 weeks until they're fully ready to leave their mother and other pups.

It depends on the breeder I think. Most people begin selling their pups around 5-6 weeks old. I got my puppy from a chihuahua breeder when she was 6 weeks old

kaycov · May 2010

I aggree on that my mom and kmcov's mom usually weened her dachshunds at 6 or 7 weeks so that the family had time to play and bond with the pup while it was still young and not so rambunctious. My mom was a breeder of dachshunds for 16 years and had almost 100 dogs at a time not including the puppies. So i agree it depends on the breeder.

Hibachi · May 2010

Reputable breeders do not sell their pups until at LEAST 8 weeks - just because they are weaned does not mean that they are ready to go, we got my bros doxie at 6 weeks and he has horrible manners. They still need learn socialization skills with their siblings until 8 weeks of age. 100 dogs at a time sounds like a kennel to me, most home raised breeders have 1-3 litters at a time, sometimes not even that. The bonding age period does not matter on the age, you can bond with an animal at any age weather they be 8 weeks or 12 years.

Hibachi · May 2010

And having 16 years in breeding does not make you a good breeder. No offense to anyone. BTW, she is adorable. Keep us updated.

Kaylynncov · May 2010

Kaycov meant she had a kennel of dachshunds. And ya it totally depends on the breeder and how young the new owner wants to get it at. I had some people who wanted their pup at 5weeks and have had some others who have wanted them at 8 weeks.

Hibachi · May 2010

I don't like kennels, personally. I'm strongly firm with home raised breeders - having over 100 dogs is wayyy too much, especially when socializing pups to have the right temperament. When I start breeding Great Danes I only plan to have very few selective studs and broods to ensure the quality of the Dane. Selling a pup at 5 weeks is too early, not enough socialization time (as said) - I've seen BYB's, "accidental breedings", pet stores, etc. sell their pups that early and the pups either die or end up dysfunctional.

BuffyBoarding · May 2010

I breed Boston Terriers. Our pups are weaned at 6-7 weeks usually, sometimes 5 week weanings do occur, it all depends on which brood we have at the time. Our dogs have a total of 3-4 litters in their lifetime and then we retire them from breeding. They are released to new homes 8-12 weeks. Depends on the litter and when we feel they are ready to go to a new home. As for this little pup, I called my aunt earlier and she's still doing good. She's just over 2 weeks old now. As they got her last weekend. I'm hoping that Gabby's pup is doing as good as she is. She's running around now and loves playing with Sassy (guinea pig) even though Sassy is about 3 times her size. She seems to be doing well. I should be back up there within the next few weeks and I will get more pictures of her.

reina__ · May 2010

I would have to disagree with the weaning under 2 months portion of this vent. How do you feel that the puppies are ready to go? Do you run extensive tests on each of them? I know breeders that keep their pups until 12 weeks regardless of the dam and regardless of the size of the litter. In many, if not most, cases, breeders that let their pups go less than 7 weeks are just tired of them and want to get them gone. It's not about whether the puppies are weaned from the mother or not, although that is a partial reason for letting the pups go. It's about being mentally prepared to go to completely new surroundings, people, dogs, and new environments. Keeping them past weaning stage gives them a jump start on their socialization process for when they go to their new homes, and also you can pick show puppies out better, and get to know their personalities to best suit a buyer with their perfect puppy. I'm not trying to rain on you Buffy, but I just disagree with the 5 week thing, and the things I've mentioned about aren't the end to all facts about everything. I've never bred a litter in my life, but I know when I do, I will very strictly keep them past 2 months, regardless of my vet and food bills and how much my back hurts from stooping over to clean the endless mountains of poop and peefalls. How can you be 100% sure they are mentally mature to leave when they've only been in the world for 40 days?

RoyalRaccoon · May 2010

I'm with everyone that prefers older pups. I'd be worried about the immune system of a 5 week old puppy, and all the stress they would undergo from being moved around(especially if it's being shipped). Personally, I would never buy a pup under 8 weeks old. To me the older the pup, the stronger it's going to be. Many states also make it illegal for pups under 8 weeks to be sold. PC 597z of the 2010 California Penal Code makes it illegal for anyone to sell puppies under 8 weeks old in the state without permission from a veterinarian. It's punishable as as misdemeanor, with each dog sold counting as a separate offense. It surprised me what animal control told you, but maybe the laws are more lax in your state....or maybe your animal control is just horrible.

Reputable breeders do not sell their pups until at LEAST 8 weeks - just because they are weaned does not mean that they are ready to go, we got my bros doxie at 6 weeks and he has horrible manners. They still need learn socialization skills with their siblings until 8 weeks of age.

I agree with this. I'd personally be wary of a breeder that sold them under 8 weeks.

Erra · May 2010

I would like to relate the "early weaning" hypothesis in puppies to the "early weaning" research that has been done in humans. Most people in this country are sure that they don't need to nurse naturally at all, and that their babies are ready for a food-only diet at about a year of age, when anthropological studies have found that a more species appropriate timeframe includes mother's milk up to and beyond two years of age. Simply put, infants will survive and do just fine if weaned early, and I have no doubts that puppies weaned early will survive as well. However, I wonder if perhaps human and dog infants wouldn't do better if allowed to nurse longer. And isn't that what we want, anyway?

Erra · May 2010

Xaetian wrote:

I would like to relate the "early weaning" hypothesis in puppies to the "early weaning" research that has been done in humans. Most people in my country are sure that they don't need to nurse naturally at all, and that their babies are ready for a food-only diet at about a year of age, when anthropological studies have found that a more species appropriate timeframe includes mother's milk up to and beyond two years of age. Simply put, infants will survive and do just fine if weaned early, and I have no doubts that puppies weaned early will survive as well. However, I wonder if perhaps human and dog infants wouldn't do better if allowed to nurse longer. And isn't that what we want, anyway?

Erra · May 2010

delete plz? editing fail lol - forgot that vent disallows such things.

reina__ · May 2010

Very true Xaetian. As breeders, our responsibility is to take care of the puppies we cause to be created as best as possible. It's the litter's profit before our profit, not the other way around.

Hibachi · May 2010

Even if a puppy could be weaned early and survive, it would still need to stay with it's mom and siblings in order to develop the proper social skills.

kaycov · May 2010

not exactly... they can learn social skills with other dogs other than their sibling sometimes dogs have natural social skills so its not necissary

Hibachi · May 2010

kaycov wrote:

not exactly... they can learn social skills with other dogs other than their sibling sometimes dogs have natural social skills so its not necissary

Not true. As I said, our doxie has NO social skills with other dogs (mainly larger dogs), with smaller dogs he is very submissive and with larger dogs he is very aggressive. We got him at a young age, 5-6 weeks old. He is also food aggressive. And keep in mind he was trained properly, raised around all different breeds, etc. Even when they are puppies they establish a pack order, they also learn things like when they bite to hard when they are with their parents and siblings, they gain discipline. Trust me, from research and my own personal experience they need that time to develop their personalities and social skills.

Hibachi · May 2010

You can ask any reputable breeder and they will tell you they do not sell their pups before 8 weeks. Nursing longer also promotes a healthier pup.

CORY · May 2010

In the state i live you HAVE to wait to give the pup to the new home till there 8 weeks. With our puppies we kept most of them longer then 8 weeks. Especially the one that had a hear murmur . We wanted to get it checked up on and make sure it will be healthy. And guess what we got a call after the puppy was like 8-9 months that it was gone. And our puppies were socialized with Adult dogs. Cause the mom was fine with her sister with them and the lab. They knew better then to hurt them. We also asked the people what THEY wanted to name the puppies so we could start teaching them there names. Some of them actually came to there names before they left. :D

CORY · May 2010

tiffer wrote:

In the state i live you HAVE to wait to give the pup to the new home till there 8 weeks. With our puppies we kept most of them longer then 8 weeks. Especially the one that had a heart murmur . We wanted to get it checked up on and make sure it will be healthy. And guess what we got a call after the puppy was like 8-9 months that it was gone. And our puppies were socialized with Adult dogs. Cause the mom was fine with her sister with them and the lab. They knew better then to hurt them. We also asked the people what THEY wanted to name the puppies so we could start teaching them there names. Some of them actually came to there names before they left. :D

Sorry i had a misspelling .. :[

kaycov · May 2010

In MY state it doesnt matter... Also it will depend alot on the breeder and the person they are selling to

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