whats everybody think about this one?

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

ok, so i took a whole school day and drew this dragon. i would like to know what y'all think about it and if you guys would suggest any colours... <img src="http://i40.tinypic.com/2exqzww.jpg"; alt="http://i40.tinypic.com/2exqzww.jpg"; class="bb-image" /> ps. sorry for the giantness. and if you attempt to steal i will track you down and beat you till your in the hospital.

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

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Alliieennss · May 2009

You can resize images in photobucket if you upload there. The head doesn't really fit with the rest of the body, it looks like a dog head. The wings anatomy is wrong. Remember that wings are just modified arms. <img src="http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/bat-wing.gif"; alt="http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/bat-wing.gif"; class="bb-image" />

riK9-5 · May 2009

Alliieennss wrote:

You can resize images in photobucket if you upload there. The head doesn't really fit with the rest of the body, it looks like a dog head. The wings anatomy is wrong. Remember that wings are just modified arms. <img src="http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/bat-wing.gif"; alt="http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/bat-wing.gif"; class="bb-image" />

Just like to point out that as no one has every seen a dragon, who's to say the anatomy is off? I love it - especially the tails!

DiamondPuppy0809 · May 2009

I think Alliieennss is just trying to point out that if it were a real dragon, the bone structure would be way off, and the dragon wouldn't be able to fly...? xD Not sure. But, Alliieennss is trying to help make it more realistic; giving good critic helps that.

tarnish · May 2009

What she is saying is the structure for wings on creatures. They all have a similar structure that helps lift them off the ground. Anywho. The tails are cool. I also wouldn't want to be scratched by its claws. o.o

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

ha. thanks guys, and i was going to attempt to fix the wings but i was just too lazy coz they did look a little off.

but anyways thanks. i think ima make parts of it into a little banner thingy.

MondyFlax · May 2009

I love it

I think the wing is fine, but the head.. looks like a dog.. >.> <.< other than that, nice work. ^.^

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

haha. yeah, i was looking at that and was wondering what it reminded me of..and now that you mention it it does kinda look like a dog's. i wasnt really sure what a dragon's head should look like though.

MondyFlax · May 2009

Yeah. Here's a good example: <img src="http://www.exchange3d.com/cubecart/images/uploads/aff1482/////dragonhead1.jpg"; alt="http://www.exchange3d.com/cubecart/images/uploads/aff1482/////dragonhead1.jpg"; class="bb-image" /> It's ice art. But it shows the structure. =P A dragon head is a mix of a lizard / dinosaur head. ^.^

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

ah, so longer and slimmer. ill add that onto the next one if i ever get around to drawing another one. lol. but i coloured the base colours. i think ima not be able to do the shading without recolouring it coz i didnt save the layers coz mi computer started being mean. but anyways heres the half-way coloured one: <img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/30nav04.jpg"; alt="http://i42.tinypic.com/30nav04.jpg"; class="bb-image" /> i like how the green came out though. i used the airbrush thingy on photoshop.

Alliieennss · May 2009

riK9-5 wrote:

Alliieennss wrote:

You can resize images in photobucket if you upload there. The head doesn't really fit with the rest of the body, it looks like a dog head. The wings anatomy is wrong. Remember that wings are just modified arms. 

 Just like to point out that as no one has every seen a dragon, who's to say the anatomy is off? I love it - especially the tails!

But dragon anatomy is based a lot off existing animals. When you see good dragon art, you're looking at the product of someone who knows their anatomy. If it was totally something else not based off anything in existence ever, I wouldn't say anything. But if it has a dog-like leg or a cat like body, it needs sound critique to get as close to those as possible to make it more realistic. I'm not talking about total realism here, I'm just saying, when you see good art, it looks how its supposed to look as if it where going to work in real life.

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

just a thought here: no one has ever seen a dragon, therefore how do we know that their anatomy is based off of other animals? I'm going to say that the closest thing that we have seen that resembles/descends (not sure here) is the Komodo Dragon and not many people draw dragons to resemble the Komodo Dragon. But if I'm off about that coz for some reason i didn't hear about a giant dragon over in Korea or something, I'd love to know about that. ps. the last part wasn't sarcasm, i was serious. coz knowing me i would have missed that. lol pps. i know the Komodo isn't really a dragon.

UnknownDreamland · May 2009

I agree with Alliieennss. For one thing, you asked us what we thought about it. Alliieennss is telling you what she thinks. There's some amazing dragon are out there. It's not just the coloring. It's the fact that it's almost believable. Now that's not to say you can't have your own style with them. I've seen the traditional dragons, horse-like, dog-like, and komodo-like ones. But it all goes back to anatomy. Ahkahna made up her own creatures, the Taschevah. She has her own personal breed of it. This is what she says about them: "Taschevah are actually "people" but resemble dragons, yet aren't even dragons at all. A taschevah is more related to a cow or deer than a dragon and would fit in nicely within the areas of pegasus

" And when you see art of it, it's believable. You look at it, think dragon/cow. But it still looks like a dragon in some sense. It all goes back to anatomy. You can't just draw, for instance, a blob, slap wings on it, and say it's a dragon and no one can rightfully critique it because no one's ever seen one.

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

i know what you're saying. i just had that thought pop into mi mind and thought i'd put it down. but i get where Alliieennss is coming from with the anatomy thing. also, i never said anything about people not being able to critique it, i was just pointing something out. i appriciated (sp?) Alliieennss', mondy's, tarn's, and rik9-5's crit and i plan on using it all on mi next attempt at a dragon. ps. if i sounded angry or something before and now, i wasnt. i was just saying..

UnknownDreamland · May 2009

To a reader "let me know what you think" means that. If you like it, rave about it. If you don't, don't be mean, give some help. You did ask for critique.

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

i know. i have no problem with any of the critique. i just said that.. :roll:

Alliieennss · May 2009

It doesn't really matter if no ones ever seen a dragon, the anatomy is still there. Dragon anatomy is based off existing animal anatomy. If you were drawing a crazy alien, I wouldn't have said anything, but you drew a dragon, and dragons have existing anatomy. And yeah, dragons are based off other animals. Go look up dragons on google. <img src="http://www.crystalinks.com/dragon.gif"; alt="http://www.crystalinks.com/dragon.gif"; class="bb-image" /> You see that? The arm. The face. The back leg. The wing. All recognizable. Why? Because they're based off existing anatomy. And it's a great piece of art. Why? Because the person knows their anatomy.

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

i didnt say it mattered, i was just saying. and if it matters is subjective, it can matter to someone. i never said it mattered or didnt matter. not all great art has good anatomy. ive seen alot of exceptional art of animals that arent anatomicly (sp?) correct, ive drawn some that people also think are exceptional and would kill to be able to have drawn it. a dragon is something that people have pieced together after myths and legends and what-not. yeah, most dragons that people draw have about the same anatomy and stuff, but dragons are pieced together and have the anatomy that they do because of what people have made them out to be.

Alliieennss · May 2009

Wait, what? Did your ego just escape there? You are a beginner at best. Sure, your art is okay, but not something to kill over. I don't think you're getting what I'm trying to say. Better anatomy makes art better. Even cartoon artists learn the basics of anatomy before drawing crazy stylized stuff. And their crazy stylized stuff turns out good because they have a good idea of anatomy.

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

i do get what you're trying to say, i knew that you meant better anatomy equals better art. and i wasnt trying to point out that i have a big ego coz i dont. everyone that knows me personally knows i couldnt care if they think i draw like crap or im amazing at it, im just saying what they told me. beginner has nothing to do with absolutly anything, ive been drawing since i was 2 1/2 years old. but that doesnt make me a professional artist either. and ive already learned anatomy. and this would be the 2nd dragon i have drawn in mi life. if it matters, i try to draw something before i look up and study the anatomy just to see what i can do, and then i look it up and work on adding things to it. ive done that since i started drawing with mi pap and ive kept doing that up to now because it works for me. and i really dont see why we're argueing over what makes better art, it's all based on how someone percieves it, not by how right on it is with the anatomy. in a professional sense-better anatomy makes better art, and i already knew that. but in general it's just how whoever looks at it perceives it.

Alliieennss · May 2009

*sigh* You know what. Just never mind.

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

i really do get what you're saying. but it just seems a little self richeous or something about how it's a pure fact to everybody that anatomy makes better art. and if you're not im sorry but it's just how the text is coming off to me. but i have to say the little bit about mi ego and mi being a beginner did rather offend me because that wasn't the point i was trying to make. :?

MondyFlax · May 2009

You asked for tips. She gave you tips. You asked for critique[sp?]. She gave you critique. If you didn't want it in the first place, why ask for it? She's a great artist, giving you tips on trying to help you improve your art. That's what you asked for, and that's what she gave you.

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

and i found none of the help/crit/tips bad and plan on using them. i only said about her saying the anatomy thing is pure fact that a drawing with better anatomy is better than one with less correct anatomy is pure fact than just most people's preference.i had/have absolutly no problem with her saying that if it had better anatomy it would look better, and i'm pretty sure that i said that, if not i apoligize. -sigh-i apoligize if i offended/angered/upset/depressed/etc anyone coz i didnt mean to. i was just trying to point it out that it sounded like she was saying that it was fact that correct anatomy makes better art. i had no intent to argue/fight over it.

UnknownDreamland · May 2009

Well it does. Even cartoonists start out somewhere. All anime artists have to know anatomy pretty darned well to produce appealing art. Stylized art is the hardest art there is because you don't have references for it. It's all imagination. And you got to suck up your pride and listen to people if you want others to like it. Viewers aren't going to say is ugly or it needs work if it doesn't. Unless they have no idea what they're saying, and that isn't the case here. If you don't care what others think, why post/ask?

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

i give up. i already said that i cared and that i planned on using it with the next things i drew.

UnknownDreamland · May 2009

What I meant by that was simply that almost whatever we said you said wasn't very true, we couldn't say, or some other excuse. Nothing else.

EpikLove · May 2009

Dreamland wrote:

All anime artists have to know anatomy pretty darned well to produce appealing art.

Let me just say, this is -so- true. I love drawing anime, but their anatomy is a buttload of work, and if you don't know anatomy, it's pretty much fail. x[ [This is from personal experience, people, believe me.. it wasn't pretty. >_>] Just saying that.

CallyKats Dachshunds · May 2009

i requested that people wouldnt call me a beginner because it wasnt true and it was rather insulting to me because ive been drawing for 14 years almost. and i was just trying to say, if you want call it a challenge, that the anatomy thing is not 100% true and applied to everything. that's all i said and i didnt mean for it to offend anyone. and i apoligized if it did. and yes, dreamland, you were right about the needing to know anatomy for anime. bluey, it is and i believe ya(even with mi beginner looking artwork -i still like to call it amateur >.> -) i take like an hour or two working on just rough sketches and still have a crapload of things off.

Alliieennss · May 2009

The anatomy thing applies to you. You are not making any form of art that does not require anatomy. You are not making abstract art. You are drawing working things, which do require correct anatomy. Do you know the work of Pablo Picasso? Of course you do. He was an amazing portrait artist before he starting doing abstract. He had an amazing grasp of anatomy. I know other forms of art do not require anatomy. But I'm saying things like this because it applies to you. I don't know what you were doing during those fourteen years, but it looks like you haven't improved much. Your art looks beginner, or amateur, as you want it called. I've only been drawing for about nine years, yet I've taken steps to improve myself all along the way. Just get over it and accept the critique/tips without trying to prove us wrong for irrelevant things.

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