Mutts Not Neutered!

[SCWT345]

I like Squalls suggestion on stopping at the AAA hybrid, but still having it be a hybrid, not a purebred.
Though I still prefer to leave mutts as they are, I wouldn't be as adverse to an elite hybrid idea. it's the purebreds from mutts that irks me, I don't think that should be allowed.
I am a purebred fancier, I prefer purebreds over mutts (I like to call them cross breeds) and I still don't feel that cross breeds should be bred, but if people are conciously trying to imporve that and not have it as a fad breed or designer breed, then whatever. I am just afraid that in addition to all of the untrained cross breeds on VP, we will be adding another league of crosses that will be eventually over produced and under trained.

[Nitara Dahmpiel]

It's being shot down viciously so unless there's some major support for this out there somewhere and people let me know I guess it's just not gonna happen...

I have not seen one vicious remark on this forum. We are just giving you our opinions like you asked for. my opinion is very clear as is yours. Why should one opinion be better than the other? The are just opinions

Not all comments on the issue were stated here.

[Koshi]

Oh! And I most certainly disagree with you SCWT345, it is indeed possible to get a pure breed out of a mutt!

I thought that in order to be a purebred dog, the lines had to be pure ie. lab to lab or shepherd to shepherd. If I knew I could get an Afghan Hound from a mixed breed dog, by doG I would breed me a Afghan Hound. Sorry, it doesn't work that way, think of it this way, you can make catsup from tomatoes, but can you make tomatoes from catsup? I think the answer is no.

Oh! And I most certainly disagree with you SCWT345, it is indeed possible to get a pure breed out of a mutt! When dealing with vp, anything is possible! XP

I think you accidently left that part out.

It's a game, everything doesn't have to make sense in a game, who's ever heard of a Wolf eventing in a fly ball team? Or an African Wild dog Racing? Better yet, have you actually ever seen someone dye a Fox or Wolf in real life? Hm...how about an African Wild dog? (I wonder if they do that...I wouldn't put it past us XD) My point is, once again, this is a game that makes is so that anything is possible.

Though I am starting to see what you all mean about the population of lowly stated dogs rising...hum...not a good thing.

I like WoS's Idea though, if we are able to make mutts breedable. Making it so that people will know that they aren't pure.

[Nitara Dahmpiel]

I'd rather just cut that whole purebred crap out, if it can't be done all the way I see no point in half-assing it.

[Paranoid Thoughts]

I think Nitara is right
How do you think all the breeds that are around now came about? uhh that would be thanks to breeding MUTTS!
I don't agree with designer dogs either, but we can't say just because it isn't 500 years in the past, all the dogs that are "pure-breds" now should be the only ones considered that. New breeds are accepted into the AKC quite a bit ^^ "Breeds" are just "mutts" anyway.
I wouldn't agree with breeding labXshepard=lab..that just doesn't make sense. but mutts shouldn't be neutered if this game is to be realistic.

[Koshi]

That's how I feel about non-"pure" bred dogs, Paranoid Thoughts. But I was trying to think of a way to make everybody happy (stupid Tasha!) and WoS's idea seemed the simplest way. Ah well, I don't think anyone has to worry about this going through.

[cocodri]

You cannot control the behaviour of players. People who breed high quality purebreds can and will breed quality mutts. People who breed untrained, low stat dogs will go right on breeding them, whether they are mutts or purebred.

I just bred my first litter of mutts, just to see what would happen. I bred a very high statted and fully trained and winning Afghan to a fully trained, high statted, winning Greyhound and had a lovely litter of 7x4 mutts that I can't breed. I kept the four best to show as a flyball team and released the rest without even trying to sell them.

Now - in many countries this cross would have produced a dog called a "Lurcher" which is more a type than a breed - a greyhound type dog outcrossed with another breed for more strength, or a longer coat, or just so the mutt pups can be sold cheaper than a purebred greyhound puppy bred to race, making a very high quality sight hound hunting dog available to the general population.

Yes, on VPs we have Lurchers as a breed. I thought that was pretty cool when I saw it.

Now, I wouldn't mind being able to breed these mutts. If I could, and if they do as well as I hope racing and in flyball and agility, I might like to have bred them back to a greyhound for maybe even a better mutt. And I would do the same - keep the pups I want, release the others, unless someone had actually messaged me that they wanted a puppy or something.

The bottom line is people who breed responsibly will breed responsibly. People who don't, don't.

What if they happen to like their low statted dogs? Whatever makes them happy, leave them alone to do as they wish. If their pups don't sell, they'll give up or at least not breed again. The "elite" players of this game need to get a grip on the idea that they cannot force everyone who plays to play their way. Not everyone has the same goals and the same idea of what is fun. It's a game - relax, have fun, stop trying to control everyone else and just play your own game. You will have more fun and the rest of us will, too.

[Ravette]

I like the idea of doing the AAA Working ect but I don't really agree with them being able to breed back into purebreds. It took generations to make a "breed" not just a couple crosses


AKC Rules:
"What if one (or both) of the parents of my litter is not AKC registered?

Chapter 3, Section 4 of the AKC Rules Applying to Registration and Discipline states:
"No individual dog from a litter whelped in the United States of America of which both parents are registered with The American Kennel Club shall be eligible for registration unless the litter has first been registered by the person who owned the dam at the time of whelping, or by the lessee if the dam was leased at the time of whelping, and, further, that an application to register such litter is filed with The American Kennel Club no later than six (6) months from the date of whelping of the litter."
A litter is eligible for registration:

If it is the result of a mating between an AKC registered Sire (male) and an AKC registered Dam (female) of the same breed.

Thus, the parents of any dog must be registered and the litter must be registered prior to any individual dog being eligible for registration.

If you are interested in participating in AKC events, you may want to consider enrolling your dog in our Indefinite Listing Program ( ILP). "



A mixed breed can get an ILP if they look close to one breed but they MUST be fixed MUST. Then they can show in the AKC but not in conformation because conformation shows are in all reality for breeding purposes. I am currently working on getting my grandma's BC mix an ILP because he took on mostly BC features but I would NEVER call him a purebred.

No AKC papers = not purebred to FCI (Federation Cynologique Internationale (FCI))


In the dog work the UKC can be an iffy registery and some do not even take the conformation part of it , sadly enough because of how loose the guidelines are for getting registered.

[Koshi]

Thank goodness Vp isn't AKC, or that would be a problem.
The diffrence between Vp and RL.

But I understand where your coming from. You want to make the game realistic.
...far to late for that...in my opinion...

[SCWT345]

From what i understand, this whole argument started with the premise that VP wasn't realistic and that was the problem (ie. mutts couldn't be bred is too unrealistic)

[AmberIsabellD]

YAY mutts are now NOT born neutered!! THANK YOU !

[Rebel912]

YAY mutts are now NOT born neutered!! THANK YOU !

Really? Already? Meh, I wonder how long it will take for people to be advertising designer "breeds" on the bb.

[Zoe]

Mutts are still born neutered.
I wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something so I went and bought a couple cheap dogs and bred them and the pups came out neutered.

[Rebel912]

Oh ok, thanks for the facts Zoe.

[Nitara Dahmpiel]

Ok, so to get it straight before I put it before Nefertete. Mutts being bred is ok, just don't make it so cross breeding leads to a purebred animal, other than that, it's kosher?